Hand that knocked out Josh Arrieh in WPT Qualifier Last Night

[Prime Time]

Below is the hand that "knocked out that Mother F...." (lol remember final table when Josh wispers to Williams aboout Fossil Man)
Josh is razorbax obviously.

In fairness to Josh, I don't know anyone except for Phil Helmuth that could have gotten away from this hand.


PokerStars Game #900519628: Tournament #3521278, Hold'em No Limit - Level VII
(100/200) - 2004/11/27 - 20:33:41 (ET)
Table '3521278 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: namepod (12045 in chips)
Seat 2: Gamecock1 (4550 in chips)
Seat 3: Phaedrus (8365 in chips)
Seat 4: milkshakeman (6537 in chips)
Seat 5: gotmilk (6090 in chips)
Seat 6: razorbax (5650 in chips)
Seat 7: Chicago28 (9455 in chips)
Seat 8: JP123 (8703 in chips)
Seat 9: PGA71 (19910 in chips)
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to PGA71 [4h 4s]
Gamecock1: folds
Phaedrus: folds
milkshakeman: folds
gotmilk: folds
razorbax: raises 400 to 600
Chicago28: folds
JP123: folds
PGA71: calls 500
namepod: folds
*** FLOP *** [4c Qs As]
PGA71: bets 600
razorbax: raises 1000 to 1600
PGA71: raises 1200 to 2800
razorbax: calls 1200
*** TURN *** [4c Qs As] [5d]
PGA71: bets 16485 and is all-in
razorbax: calls 2225 and is all-in
*** RIVER *** [4c Qs As 5d] [9h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
PGA71: shows [4h 4s] (three of a kind, Fours)
razorbax: shows [Ad Qh] (two pair, Aces and Queens)
PGA71 collected 11675 from pot

Any comments?

[SossMan]

looks like josh has a bad habit of flopping big hands when his opponent flops a small set. He really needs to stop doing that if he wants to win.

that hand played itself.

[schwza]

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that hand played itself.

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only questionable thing is the pre-flop call with 44. you'll flop a set 1/8.5. 8.5 * 500 = 4250, and he had ~5600 before the raise (plus the 300 in blind money). you're not going to win the pot very often if you don't flop a set or an OESD. so you need to get his stack very consistently when you flop the set, and to never flop the set and wind up losing.

i'd say around 7500 would be my minimum stack to call there.

[edpsu92]

Could you please elaborate on what you are saying? I do not understand.

[Prime Time]

What he is saying, is that even if I hit my set, does Josh have enough chips so even if I bust him, that it is worth it. I have to call 500 chips to have a shot at about 6K.
Not to mention that if I hit, he might be able to get away from his hand.

[La Brujita]

FWIW preflop I think it is pretty close as to whether your hand is playable for set value given his stack size. Do you give up on most/all flops that don't flop a set or a straight draw? I don't think it is a bad call but I probably would have folded. What kind of payout structure was it?

I like that you led out on the flop, perhaps just a minor stylistic difference but I like to bet at least 1/2 the pot here (which is pretty much what you did). I do it for optics.

Once he reraises I put him all in on the flop. It seems to me his reraise pretty much commits him to play against most reraises. I feel like a reraise might (i) make it look like you are trying to use your stack to bully (ii) make it look like you are on a draw or (iii) make it look like you are protecting against a draw. The last point is not that clear but what I am trying to say is if he is on a flush draw he is probably getting all in. If he happens to think you are playing a draw a spade on the turn might make him fold some of his hands.

Don't know if that makes sense.

Best regards

[Prime Time]

pay out structure was top 13 qualify for trip to Bahamas and a WPT entry worth $11K total.

Thanks for comments.

[slickpoppa]

I'm disappointed. This would have been the perfect opportunity for you to say, "You think we're playing tiddlywinks here?"

[Prime Time]

I used the other line, but thats a good 1 also.
Should have put that in the chat box with him. LOL
Next time I will.

[adanthar]

I haven't watched enough of the WSOP to nail down Arieh's playing style, but if he's on the LAG side I'm not sure I like the flop reraise. If Arieh has AJ or a total bluff he probably finds a fold here somewhere, whereas he'd happily give you his chips on the turn if you just call.