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KQo, implied odds enough to call the turn?
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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls. Just sat down, only reads on 1 guy and he was a 55 vpip, so that couldn't help narrow down his holdings... Flop: (13 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls. Is this flop call too loose? I thought not, because I gave each overcard 1.5 outs, which makes it a 3 outer (backdoor strait might add a tad) So by my calculations, the pot was giving me 7.5:1 so for a 3 outer this is ok, no? Turn: (9 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls, Button calls. Again, I'm still counting this as a 3 outer, am I wrong in doing this? So the pot is giving me 11:1 but there are most likely 2 callers behind me, which would bump it up to 13:1, almost to the required 14:1 for a 3 outer, but I called giving myself implied odds here if I hit on the river. Is this a bad thing? I figured it wasn't going to happen often, but when I do hit I could collect 2, 3, or mabye even 4 bb when I bet and everyone calls on the river. So even if I still lost say a third or half the time, I would be recouping the 1 bb to call the turn bet by two or three or mabye four times when I do hit. You know, even hearing myself say this, it sounds like my reasoning is flawed, but I can't think of anyting better [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Any suggestions? River: (14 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls. Final Pot: 16 BB |
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Re: KQo, implied odds enough to call the turn?
I might have raised the flop to clear some out because the pot is very big. But I definitely would not fold. I'd call the turn too.
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Re: KQo, implied odds enough to call the turn?
if your counting it as a 3 outer, i fold.. if you give your self the full 6 outs to be ahead, then im calling that turn.
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Re: KQo, implied odds enough to call the turn?
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...the pot was giving me 7.5:1 so for a 3 outer this is ok, no? [/ QUOTE ] First off, the pot was giving you 15 to 1...you could call. [ QUOTE ] Again, I'm still counting this as a 3 outer, am I wrong in doing this? So the pot is giving me 11:1 but there are most likely 2 callers behind me, which would bump it up to 13:1, almost to the required 14:1 for a 3 outer, but I called giving myself implied odds here if I hit on the river. Is this a bad thing? I figured it wasn't going to happen often, but when I do hit I could collect 2, 3, or mabye even 4 bb when I bet and everyone calls on the river. So even if I still lost say a third or half the time, I would be recouping the 1 bb to call the turn bet by two or three or mabye four times when I do hit. You know, even hearing myself say this, it sounds like my reasoning is flawed, but I can't think of anyting better [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Any suggestions? [/ QUOTE ] This makes my head hurt...you're over-thinking, here. Go like this: "I don't have a read on SB, so he could be a nutjob that defended his 84o and I'm drawing dead. If he's playing AK or AQ, I'm also dead. Any outs I have aren't clean, and I've only put 3SB into this pot so far." Get out. Of course, I'm a weak-tight disciple of Lee Jones... |
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Re: KQo, implied odds enough to call the turn?
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I've only put 3SB into this pot so far." Get out. [/ QUOTE ] Come on man, you know this is irrelavent. Pot size is what matters here, not how much i've put in. Does this change things for you? |
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Re: KQo, implied odds enough to call the turn?
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Come on man, you know this is irrelavent. Pot size is what matters here, not how much i've put in. Does this change things for you? [/ QUOTE ] In this case it does, because if the pot is this big and I've only put that little bit in, there's other players hanging around for some reason. So, I'm already behind and the pot isn't giving me the right odds to continue, I'm out. |
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Re: KQo, implied odds enough to call the turn?
The money that you have put in, is not yours anymore. Dont even consider how much you have invested just look at the size of the pot.
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Re: KQo, implied odds enough to call the turn?
I fold the turn.
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Re: KQo, implied odds enough to call the turn?
Fold the turn. You could be drawing dead, and even if you're not your [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] outs are likely dutty.
I would fold the flop if you didn't have the BDSD. |
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Re: KQo, implied odds enough to call the turn?
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Fold the turn. You could be drawing dead, and even if you're not your [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] outs are likely dutty. I would fold the flop if you didn't have the BDSD. [/ QUOTE ] |
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