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A-high flush w trips on board
Got beat twice today holding A-high flush, trips on board. Pocket pair made boat both times.
Do you automatically fold in this situation where opponent shoes strength? |
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Re: A-high flush w trips on board
simply sounds like a couple of bad beats to me
to get a better answer post the specific hands in the appropriate forum (e.g. beginner or micros) with the accompanying info such as limit you were playing and player reads generally, for one bet on the river i can't imagine ever folding an Ace flush even for multiple bets you will likely be calling down if the board pairs and you are worried someone already had trips, due to their betting action, then simply call down the river rather than raising.....your read would have to be pretty solid to be folding the flush....better slow down instead of folding cheers, the Real Macoy |
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Re: A-high flush w trips on board
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simply sounds like a couple of bad beats to me to get a better answer post the specific hands in the appropriate forum (e.g. beginner or micros) with the accompanying info such as limit you were playing and player reads generally, for one bet on the river i can't imagine ever folding an Ace flush even for multiple bets you will likely be calling down if the board pairs and you are worried someone already had trips, due to their betting action, then simply call down the river rather than raising.....your read would have to be pretty solid to be folding the flush....better slow down instead of folding cheers, the Real Macoy [/ QUOTE ] There are TRIPS on the board. I don't think any smaller flush or ace high is going to be betting at this, so you beat precisely zero hands. Fold. |
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Re: A-high flush w trips on board
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There are TRIPS on the board. I don't think any smaller flush or ace high is going to be betting at this, so you beat precisely zero hands. Fold. [/ QUOTE ] sorry guys....missed the TRIPS part just ignore and yes fold to aggression ....unless....there will be situations where you call down...such as, heads up on the river with a large pot, if you close the action for one bet...you can call (unless versus a very consitent passive player then fold) sorry for the confusion -RM |
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Re: A-high flush w trips on board
Preamble: Mother Theresa raises and you inexplicably call with red 9s. You've been caller her all the way. By the river the board is KhQhJhTh3c giving you the straight flush. You bet and she raises... Do I hear anybody say "You've got a straight flush - ReRaise!!!" No, you should of course fold.
Preamble 2: you don't need a pocket pair to have a full house, just match one of the other cards. Anybody who says don't lay down the A-flush should not be playing for keeps. With trips on board you can only beat a bluff. This is like 3rd pair on the river when someone suddenly bets. You need a good specific reason to suspect a bluff before you can call. Betting or raising is out of the question, folding is the top option. - Louie PS. One good specific reason is because folks who are willing to bluff are a lot more likely to do so with this board since its so scary. But if there's been action along the way or its multi-player or the other cards are big, check and fold and keep your mouth shut. |
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Re: A-high flush w trips on board
Louie,
thanks for the input totally agree with the idea of only calling for a specific reason.... such as suspecting a bluff on the reverse side of things if you were out of position and HU on the river and the trip card falls would this be an automatic bet (something akin to Clarkmeister Theorum of betting a four flush HU and out of position??) ....thus a defense is calling down for one bet cheers, |
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Re: A-high flush w trips on board
The other folks generally look at the absolute value of their hand such as "flush" or "full house" and downgrade the relative value. Thus its easy to bluff them when they have small pairs even if its obvious you don't have anything, and thus they call with flushes even when its OBVIOUS they are beat.
So no, I don't think its a good idea to bet a flush into trips on board, since nobody is going to lay down a (small) full house, unless its obvious he's got a flush and will call with it. - Louie Having said that, I suppose you could contrive an situation where its better to bet that hand than checking and sweating. Such a situation probably requires the opponent to maybe have the small full house and maybe lay it down, AND maybe have nothing and maybe bluff, but not bluff enough that you'd be temped to check-and-call. |
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Re: A-high flush w trips on board
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The other folks generally look at the absolute value of their hand such as "flush" or "full house" and downgrade the relative value. Thus its easy to bluff them when they have small pairs even if its obvious you don't have anything, and thus they call with flushes even when its OBVIOUS they are beat. So no, I don't think its a good idea to bet a flush into trips on board, since nobody is going to lay down a (small) full house, unless its obvious he's got a flush and will call with it. - Louie Having said that, I suppose you could contrive an situation where its better to bet that hand than checking and sweating. Such a situation probably requires the opponent to maybe have the small full house and maybe lay it down, AND maybe have nothing and maybe bluff, but not bluff enough that you'd be temped to check-and-call. [/ QUOTE ] Louie, i came to the same conclusion after thinking it over myself. I thought it might be akin to a four flush board heads up and acting first on the river without a flush card (aka the Clarkmeister Theorum); however there are so many more hands out there that beat you and as you stated very few, if any, that you are beating that will lay down. appreciate your input and discussion thanks, the Real Macoy |
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Re: A-high flush w trips on board
Thanks guys. You pretty much hit everything I was thinking about. What concerned me was that it was such an obvious bluffing opportunity for my opponent. I believe I was raising both times, which in retrospect was insane. Check-call next time at most.
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Re: A-high flush w trips on board
And only rarely at that. Both instances, if I remember right, involved low cards as the 4th and 5th cards. Lost to JJ & KK, neither of which I remember showing strength pre-flop.
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