Fold preflop

shant · #1 11-02-2005, 04:10 AM

BB is a TAG with a 2+2ish screenname. UTG is donkish with a donkish screenname. Everyone else is unknown.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $15.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 raises, 2 folds, Hero (poster) calls, 1 fold, SB calls, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 caps, MP1 calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (20 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, BB calls, UTG+1 caps, MP1 folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (18.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, SB folds, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (27.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 29.50 BB

Edited to add reads.

toss · #2 11-02-2005, 04:18 AM

BB smells so much like a higher flush. Can't fold the turn with two outs. I'd highly consider folding the river though.

Nick C · #3 11-02-2005, 05:33 AM

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BB smells so much like a higher flush. Can't fold the turn with two outs.

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I'd quote Toss's third sentence too, but I know I wouldn't really be able to throw away my flush heads-up on the river, closing the action, getting 28:1. I'd tell myself that, despite his screen name, BB might have played top set stupidly. And then I'd call, fully expecting to see the nut flush.

toss · #4 11-02-2005, 05:52 AM

Hahah I wouldn't be able to fold too. What I say and how I play are two different things. I'll tell myself to fold, but then I'll look at the $900 in the middle and say [censored] it I can't fold this.

So did you win a big fat sexy pot Shant?

#5 11-02-2005, 06:09 AM

Fold preflop!!!

You all think that there is no problem in the fact that he was in this game!?!

toss · #6 11-02-2005, 06:12 AM

Hero is often getting 6:1 or better PF with a sooted connector in position. Its not a bad call.

MyTurn2Raise · #7 11-02-2005, 06:13 AM

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Fold preflop!!!

You all think that there is no problem in the fact that he was in this game!?!

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I don't think it's that bad....use pokerstove or some such thing and compare it to hands the other FOUR players are likely holding. The EV isn't bad and a flop that helps him is less likely to help another player. The big problem is if someone holds 2 bigger clubs, but that makes the flush draw/hit less likely to show.

krimson · #8 11-02-2005, 11:32 AM

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Fold preflop!!!

You all think that there is no problem in the fact that he was in this game!?!

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Not really, he posted from the CO so he was only putting 1 bet in for a multi-way pot.

sthief09 · #9 11-02-2005, 07:42 AM

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BB smells so much like a higher flush. Can't fold the turn with two outs.

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I'd quote Toss's third sentence too, but I know I wouldn't really be able to throw away my flush heads-up on the river, closing the action, getting 28:1. I'd tell myself that, despite his screen name, BB might have played top set stupidly. And then I'd call, fully expecting to see the nut flush.

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hmm I don't know if his play with top set would be that stupid. clearly he checks the flop because he doesn't want to force UTG+1 to raise. then it comes back for 3 to him and he doesn't want to let the cat out of the bag quite yet. then he checks the turn and 3-bets when it's 2 to him. overaggro but nothing terrible, especially with others in the pot he can force out if they're drawing to straights or something.

then also consider that the Qc and Jc are accounted for and he 3-bet from the BB. there's one combination that beats us. at 30-1, you'd need about 1/30th of a combination of a hand (ie does he play JJ like this at least 1.1% of the time he has it? of course) to justify a call

shant · #10 11-02-2005, 02:18 PM

Yeah, the only hands I could put him on at the river were:

JJ
A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Ax

So at 29/1 I went :'( and I called.

And no, if UTG+1 called there was no way I could overcall.