Zoine Busted by Hero Cloutier

Iplayboard · #1 09-20-2005, 01:33 AM

My question is, How could somebody make it to heads-up in a WSOP event after reading Cloutier's book, Championship NL and PL Holdem?

JackWhite · #2 09-20-2005, 01:34 AM

Yeah, Cloutier has no idea what he is talking about. What a total idiot. He obviously has no idea how to play the game.

Iplayboard · #3 09-20-2005, 01:38 AM

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Well obviously he knows how to play the game, but that doesn't change the fact that his book is complete [censored].

johnnybeef · #4 09-20-2005, 02:06 AM

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Well obviously he knows how to play the game, but that doesn't change the fact that his book is complete [censored].

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well, i doubt that he played a bunch and realized which parts of the book work and which dont. that would be silly.

TheBlueMonster · #5 09-20-2005, 02:49 PM

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Yeah, Cloutier has no idea what he is talking about. What a total idiot. He obviously has no idea how to play the game.

[/ QUOTE ]yea, I mean come on, he's never won the main event

wall_st · #6 09-20-2005, 02:42 AM

I guess you have not read positively fifth street. McManus swears by the thing, not that he was a particularly great player at the time but he used it like his bible during the tourney.

betgo · #7 09-20-2005, 08:59 AM

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I guess you have not read positively fifth street. McManus swears by the thing, not that he was a particularly great player at the time but he used it like his bible during the tourney.

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McManus used it to double up against TJ and take the lead in the WSOP ME.

McManus raised with AK, TJ reraised with A9 (TJ's book says only reraise with AA or KK) and McManus called. The flop comes rag, rag, rag. McManus checks, TJ bets, McManus calls (TJ's book says check/fold AK if you miss the flop). The turn is another rag. McManus checks, TJ takes McManus allin, McManus calls.

#8 09-20-2005, 09:02 AM

haha, I dont know if that hand is a greater insult to the credibility of the book, or to the guy who said he used it as his bible.

#9 09-20-2005, 09:38 AM

TJ's book is great, if only for entertainment value. It's full of amusing situations, bad beats, and great calls. And i mean, come on, that's just fun to read. Also, More so than most poker books, it gives you an insight to how a top professional player thinks. Unfortuneately for us (the reader), Cloutier's a feel player, which means its hard to structure of make sense of his moves, to us at least.
TJ just "knows" when to call, raise, or fold top pair.

and you should too....

bones · #10 09-21-2005, 02:40 AM

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It's full of amusing situations, bad beats, and great calls. And i mean, come on, that's just fun to read.

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I love reading about bad beats! Everytime a little IM box pops up, I get a tingle of anticipation, hoping it's someone telling me about how their aces got cracked by QJs.

Bah. Shitty book either way.