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Old 11-06-2005, 08:10 PM
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In their book, the authors make a number of excellent statements. In one place they say "As long as you understand fundamental gambling concepts and make correct decisions, winning will be inevitable." They also say "Ignore the results and focus on making decisions that maximize your expection." My question is how long may it be before the inevitable arrives? I have looked back over 3000+ plus hours (182,312 hands) and the results are hard to ignore. I am losing a about 1 BB per hour primarily in 2-4 limit at Party Poker. I really feel good about my play at the end of each session; however the results seem to indicate otherwise. In looking at my hand histories, I really like what I see. Other than the BB, I am ahead prior to the flop 93% of the time. After the flop, I am still ahead 78% of the time. I seem to have an excellent understanding of hand selection and position. My two biggest problems are that my opponents are hitting their outs at a much greater rate than they should and I am not hitting my outs at the rate that I should. Pocket Aces are winning at an 11% rate. I still attack with them, but it is hard to fight the frustration. I have paid off on the river many a 2,3 or 4 out miracle card to my opponents. I was just wondering if I expect another 3000+ plus hours of this?
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Old 11-06-2005, 08:21 PM
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Pocket aces winning only 11% of the time after 182K hands seems statistically impossible to me. It sounds like you have a case of the tilt.
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Old 11-06-2005, 11:30 PM
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I would agree with you that the number sounds improbable;however, I have kept very good records of all of my play. I have seen about every bad beat. I do not tell them, I just say "ditto". Yes, I have had AA, flopped four-of-a-kind and lost. (Not in a bad beat game). It has prepared me well for some of 989-1 knockouts that I have sustained in WPT and WSOP events.
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Old 11-07-2005, 01:01 AM
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Dude, it's called "running bad" and you seem to be experiencing an extreme case of it, especially if your drawing rate is as bad as you say. I once ran bad for about 50k hands so i know what u are going through, but 182k is a very very bad run, it almost strains credulity. Have some one else review your hand histories to see if u are making any errors. But don't quit.
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Old 11-07-2005, 03:57 PM
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Thanks. I do not have anyone to look at my hand histories. What I do is compare my hands using tables in "Small Stakes Hold'em". It seems to be a good exercise in comparing what I did versus what they state one should do. My comparison shows that I am following their guidelines quite well.
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Old 11-06-2005, 08:33 PM
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If you are "happy with your play" and are losing this badly you need to retire. Sriously, I am not kidding. You have a large sample and are clearly a losing player. Stop now or pay someone to teach you how to play.
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Old 11-06-2005, 10:54 PM
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If you are "happy with your play" and are losing this badly you need to retire. Sriously, I am not kidding. You have a large sample and are clearly a losing player. Stop now or pay someone to teach you how to play.

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I wouldn't say retire, but it is apparent you are not a winning player after 180K hands.

It is time to be honest and make a decision.

Either work on improving your play by reading more books, discussing hands with friends, or hiring a coach...OR

Just play for fun, #'s be damned and continue to lose.
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Old 11-06-2005, 10:59 PM
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It's just a bad run. PLEASE DON'T QUIT PLAYING POKER! Pretty please?
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Old 11-07-2005, 04:14 PM
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Thanks. Like the smell of my money?
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Old 11-06-2005, 11:18 PM
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Thanks for your post. Actually, I have a rather extensive library of both poker and blackjack books. I read each of them numerous times and study quite a bit. I read all the articles in numerous magazines such as Card Player. I play about 6 hours per day and study another 6 hours.
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