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Old 06-04-2004, 07:54 AM
Guido Guido is offline
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Default How many mistakes in this QQ hand?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Guido is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, <font color="CC3333">Guido raises</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (7.33 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(3 players) </font>
UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">Guido bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">Guido 3-bets</font>, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
<font color="CC3333">Guido bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP2 raises</font>, Guido calls.

River: (10.66 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players) </font>
Guido checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Guido raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP2 3-bets</font>, Guido calls.

Final Pot: 16.66 BB
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Old 06-04-2004, 08:24 AM
rayrns rayrns is offline
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Default Re: How many mistakes in this QQ hand?

It looks like he is holding 22, 55 or 66 which would make your hand good. The only other hand would be A3s and I am not sure he would raise a gut shot draw on the flop.

But it is Party. Don't see how you could have played much different.
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Old 06-04-2004, 08:57 AM
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Default Re: How many mistakes in this QQ hand?

What hands would he have cold called you with that worry you? Pairs, maybe even 3's. I would be thinking 3's, 5's, or 6's on the turn or maybe even something like JJ, KK, AA.

I don't have a problem with the C/R river and I have to take this one to the cap. He's just as likely to have a lower set than he is 3's so I cap him and take a nice pot.
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Old 06-04-2004, 09:05 AM
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Default Re: How many mistakes in this QQ hand?

So after a cold call preflop, a raise on the flop, a raise on the turn and a 3-bet on the river you still cap? Doesn't seem the right thing to me.

Guido
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Old 06-04-2004, 12:13 PM
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Default Re: How many mistakes in this QQ hand?

yes. What is your read on him?? It would have to be exactly 33. 33 is certainly a possibility but it seems more of a possibility that he has a made set. Probably 66 or something like that. He raised, u 3 bet, and he figures you for a hi pair. You guys are HU so he figures to get more out of you by raising the turn. He knows you don't have 33. Now 33 is possible for him because he may play it like that if he puts you on AK,Q...overcards...

My read would be that he most likely has a set and you caught him on the river. If you put him on the 3s you should have just check/called the river or even folded the turn...which I would have never done because you can't put him exactly on those 3's unless he showed them to you.
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Old 06-04-2004, 12:18 PM
NajdorfDefense NajdorfDefense is offline
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Default Re: How many mistakes in this QQ hand?

Depending on your read, he could certainly have 33, 44, or 55, I would think. He's betting like he has *something* that's for sure. I think you caught him.

Naj
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Old 06-04-2004, 02:09 PM
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Default Re: How many mistakes in this QQ hand?

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You guys are HU so he figures to get more out of you by raising the turn.

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everyone loves to wait to raise their set on the turn, but when they're going to do that they don't raise the flop.

I think he has a straight. I could see 33 played this way, but it's hard to put someone on exactly that, but then there is also 78. I don't think I've ever seen anyone bluff three-bet the river in this game. Again, I don't think he played like a flopped set, and I'd be surprized to see him go three bets on the river with a set of 4's or rivered two pair. I don't think I would raise the river after the turn action, but I may be too shy.
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Old 06-04-2004, 05:01 PM
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Default Re: How many mistakes in this QQ hand?

On the flop I put him on a pair. On the turn I put him on 2 pair, trips or a straight. With the biggest possibility of a set. On the river I think I have him beat with a higher set but when he 3-bets me again I'm not capping and make a crying call. Like you said yourself he probably puts me on an overpair so he's not 3-betting on the river with a hand he can't beat most of the time.

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Old 06-04-2004, 06:56 PM
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Default Re: How many mistakes in this QQ hand?

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So after a cold call preflop, a raise on the flop, a raise on the turn and a 3-bet on the river you still cap? Doesn't seem the right thing to me.

Guido

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that doesn't look like a set to you? the only hands that beat you are 3x and or 78. 3x doesn't raise the flop, but a good, aggressive player holding 78 would raise his OESD+2 overs. is he the type to coldcall with 78s? if not, you have to cap it.
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Old 06-04-2004, 10:30 PM
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Default Re: How many mistakes in this QQ hand?

I think a set either caps the flop, or smooth calls to keep UTG in.
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