I pay off too much...

bonanz · #1 01-18-2005, 01:11 AM

Villain in this hand is LA-A, but i don't think i knew that at the time.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, MP2 folds, SB folds, Hero caps, UTG calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

River: (10.50 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB

Here's another winner [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] I can't seem to fold ever. unknown villain. I got so outplayed it hurt

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, Hero raises, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

River: (7.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 9.75 BB

bigmac366 · #2 01-18-2005, 01:14 AM

i am guilty of the same. sometimes i just cant seem to find the fold button. help us [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

Buck_65 · #3 01-18-2005, 01:17 AM

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i am guilty of the same. sometimes i just cant seem to find the fold button. help us [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

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Start getting better reads on your opponents. Some players only raise with extremely strong hands and some will take a stab at every pot with a bluff raise. This will make the difference in your decision to make a crying call or not.

Buck_65 · #4 01-18-2005, 01:15 AM

I don't think either hand is that bad. I'd most likely pay off in hand 1 as well, it depends on your read of the player.

In hand 2 I definitely call his turn raise but I'd fold the river unimproved. He has your pair of tens beat.

milesdyson · #5 01-18-2005, 01:16 AM

First hand is hard to fold, although calling the flop three bet and check raising the turn may be a good line.

Second hand I would fold preflop, bet the flop, and fold to the turn check raise. I don't see this as hard to fold.

Conclusion: I probably don't fold the river in hand 1, but hand 2 is in an entirely different league as far as how hard it is to fold.

Buck_65 · #6 01-18-2005, 01:19 AM

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First hand is hard to fold, although calling the flop three bet and check raising the turn may be a good line.

Second hand I would fold preflop, bet the flop, and fold to the turn check raise. I don't see this as hard to fold.

Conclusion: I probably don't fold the river in hand 1, but hand 2 is in an entirely different league as far as how hard it is to fold.

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Now that I look at it again, you're right, hand 2 should be folded immediately to the raise. You really don't have correct odds to draw to 2 pair or trips.

DMBFan23 · #7 01-18-2005, 01:21 AM

hand 1. is good, definitely a tough one. anyone check call the river?

hand 2. I fold to the turn raise.

bonanz · #8 01-18-2005, 01:25 AM

I'm not giving my unknowns enough respect. I really think this is my problem. at 1/2 you don't get paid off with your big hands to make up for all the [censored] calling down i probably did at .5/1

god dammit i [censored] suck

chaz64 · #9 01-18-2005, 11:26 AM

Getting check raised on the turn is no fun. You might find this gives you some food for thought:

Popped on the Turn

SlantNGo · #10 01-18-2005, 01:22 AM

Hand 1: Call the 3-bet and plan to re-evaluate on the turn. A non-club turn, I'd be tempted to bet/fold. But with the redraw now, I think you can either bet/call this and call down, or check the turn. Then, if he bets you call down. If he checks, bet the river.

Hand 2: Fold to the turn c/r. Calling down in this situation is probably marginally profitable at 0.5/1. At 1/2, making calldowns like these is probably why my W$SD% was sitting around 49% until I started releasing more often.