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View Poll Results: What kind of drinks should I have available? | |||
shots | 1 | 3.13% | |
mixed drinks | 8 | 25.00% | |
Beer | 23 | 71.88% | |
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll |
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Big Pots
Pacific Poker 5/10. Hero is in the SB 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Raised to 10 called. Capped by BB and UTG +2. Hero calls. 6 players see flop. Pot is $120. Flop comes 10 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero bets into flop. Raised and reraised. 2 folds. Hero calls 10 in $150 pot. Cold call and a call. Pot is at 170. Turn is 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Hero checks, check, check, bet, Hero raises, call, call, call. River is K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero bets, call, fold, call. Hero wins pot of $280. I was BERATED by two players at my table for calling on the flop. To me, folding is ridiculous. I was getting 15-1 in a huge pot! Help me understand... |
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Re: Big Pots
Your biggest mistake I think was after the raise and re-raise on the flop to your bet. Your 5/5 at that point is trash and should be tossed. You got lucky, congrats, it won't happen all that often.
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#3
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Re: Big Pots
Preflop. You've already called $10 and it's $10 back to you, so even though you pretty much know you're behind a bigger pair unles, but you try to flop the set.
I don't see the reason in betting out on the flop...preflop capped 6 ways and I'm sure there's a bigger pair than fives and you aren't getting the overpairs to fold. When it's raised and re-raised back to you..that's when I drop this hand. You definetly drawing to 2 outs and may be drawing dead to a made set....are tens that unlikely a hand? Turn and River are standard. Anyway, those are my thoughts on the hand. |
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Ed Miller...the king of big pots.
This is a reply to the first 2 suggestions...
but doesn't the amount of money in the pot make folding a -EV play. In rare situations, I find that chasing in a limit game is a very profitable play. I wonder what Ed Miller would think? |
#5
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Re: Ed Miller...the king of big pots.
Using Petriv's Hold Em Odds Book, 2 outs with 2 cards to come translates to about 9%, or 23-2 odds. Therefore the call on the flop raises was correct as I was getting 15-1 on the call. Again, of COURSE I was extremely lucky, but my suckout seems to be justified by pot odds.
Thoughts? |
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Re: Ed Miller...the king of big pots.
your pot odds should be played to the next card not to the river the odds hitting your 5 on the turn 22:1 and you were getting 15:1 thats -EV
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Re: Ed Miller...the king of big pots.
If you have a magic 8-ball and know neither of these players have a higher set or will hit a higher set on the turn/river, the flop call is fine if we know both players have overpairs and will not give up their hands, plus if we know the flop action will not end up capped (thus further cutting into our odds)...
Getting 15-1 odds on a 22-1 hit means we need to make up more than 7SBs when we hit... a turn c/r with two callers is 8BBs, and then some more river action too... So mathematically it's easily a +EV call if you know all of the above. So if you know ALL of these things, you can call two more cold. You can't though since you have no idea if it's gonna be capped, you have no idea if you're already drawing to perfect perfect, and you have no idea if your hand will hold up at the river if you do turn a set. Plus making this flop call means a duddy turn card may convince you to call yet again on the turn, which will almost always be a bad idea. |
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Re: Ed Miller...the king of big pots.
illguitar...if you are counting your odds based on both the turn AND river cards, I think it's fair to also add in the fact that that if you chase to the river, you are likely to call at least one big bet on the turn and maybe more depending on if the other two get into a raising war again.
...that is...if you aren't already drawing dead. |
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Re: Ed Miller...the king of big pots.
The other posters are correct, you are computing your odds incorrectly. That's a good book you are quoting from, though. I recommend studying it a bit more to gain as much as you can from it.
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Re: Ed Miller...the king of big pots.
The odds of getting the 5 if you are going to see both the turn and river are 15 to 1. But you cost to the river doubles so you need to figure that into the implied odds. You should be getting about 16.5 to 1 if you were planning to see to this to the river. If you were going to fold if you didn't hit the turn then you need 22 to 1 odds.
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