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When you look like a maniac
Stars 150, barely ITM (43 left I think). I had been noticeably active in the past 2 orbits or so, with two or three allin reraises preflop and such. Legitimate resteal hands, but I look a little suspect.
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) UTG (t5660) UTG+1 (t940) MP1 (t4725) MP2 (t14290) MP3 (t13609) Hero (t20200) Button (t28942) SB (t16682) BB (t5120) Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t1600</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t1600, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>. Flop: (t3600) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t800</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t18550</font>, MP2 calls t11840 (All-In). Turn: (t34790) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> River: (t34790) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t34790 This guy minraised preflop a couple orbits ago and I pushed allin over him and took it down. I considered a preflop reraise here but didn't like the stack scenario and the ppl left to act. The guy hadnt opened many pots. I pushed the flop because I refused to believe that he would play a real hand like that against me. There was just no way in my book that he wanted action. I would push all in there with a lot of made or vulnerable hands too. I got called by 66 and (as you can see) bricked. I mean, can I expect this call? I knew I looked suspicious but I could have so many hands there that I really hate the call on his part FWIW. Like, I'd expect to see a flush draw at the very least. Heres what I want to know: was he just not a thinking player, or did I get totally owned? Everett PS I'm having a problem lately (read: past few months) playing "solid" poker. I really can't stand to play tight standard poker because I feel like anyone with half a brain can do it, and I can't possibly have a real advantage over this field by just playing like everyone else. Maybe it's made me try too force to many plays, but it's hard to learn unless i [censored] up. So if you see some retarded LAG stuff, bear with me. |
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Re: When you look like a maniac
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I look a little suspect. Big Blind is t800 UTG (t5660) UTG+1 (t940) MP1 (t4725) MP2 (t14290) MP3 (t13609) Hero (t20200) Button (t28942) SB (t16682) BB (t5120) Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t1600</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t1600, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>. Flop: (t3600) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t800</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t18550</font>, MP2 calls t11840 (All-In). Turn: (t34790) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> River: (t34790) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t34790 This guy minraised preflop a couple orbits ago and I pushed allin over him and took it down. I considered a preflop reraise here but didn't like the stack scenario and the ppl left to act. The guy hadnt opened many pots. I pushed the flop because I refused to believe that he would play a real hand like that against me. There was just no way in my book that he wanted action. I would push all in there with a lot of made or vulnerable hands too. I got called by 66 and (as you can see) bricked. I mean, can I expect this call? I knew I looked suspicious but I could have so many hands there that I really hate the call on his part FWIW. Like, I'd expect to see a flush draw at the very least. Heres what I want to know: was he just not a thinking player, or did I get totally owned? [/ QUOTE ] Honestly I think you owned yourself. Pushing 18k into a 4k pot reeks of "semibluff flush draw" in many people's mind. Why not raise here to 3k-4k instead? Or call and take away from him on the turn. admittedly 66 is a little weak here but I think a pair of eights might call there also. A 2.75x potsize raise/a 22x raise of the flop bet, doesn't look like you're betting for value. |
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Re: When you look like a maniac
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Honestly I think you owned yourself. Pushing 18k into a 4k pot reeks of "semibluff flush draw" in many people's mind. Why not raise here to 3k-4k instead? Or call and take away from him on the turn. admittedly 66 is a little weak here but I think a pair of eights might call there also. A 2.75x potsize raise/a 22x raise of the flop bet, doesn't look like you're betting for value. [/ QUOTE ] I also think this is a much better line. Raise to 3k and fold to an all in. You stuck soooo many chips out there without a great hand and without a good plan. It seems like your plan was to take the pot away with superaggression. Playing that way into smaller stacks that can barely dent your stack is fine. Against someone who can cripple you there must be more cautious and have a better game plan if you are trying to "make a move." |
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Re: When you look like a maniac
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Stars 150, barely ITM (43 left I think). I had been noticeably active in the past 2 orbits or so, with two or three allin reraises preflop and such. Legitimate resteal hands, but I look a little suspect. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t800 (9 handed) UTG (t5660) UTG+1 (t940) MP1 (t4725) MP2 (t14290) MP3 (t13609) Hero (t20200) Button (t28942) SB (t16682) BB (t5120) Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t1600</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls t1600, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>. Flop: (t3600) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets t800</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t18550</font>, MP2 calls t11840 (All-In). Turn: (t34790) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> River: (t34790) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font> Final Pot: t34790 This guy minraised preflop a couple orbits ago and I pushed allin over him and took it down. I considered a preflop reraise here but didn't like the stack scenario and the ppl left to act. The guy hadnt opened many pots. I pushed the flop because I refused to believe that he would play a real hand like that against me. There was just no way in my book that he wanted action. I would push all in there with a lot of made or vulnerable hands too. I got called by 66 and (as you can see) bricked. I mean, can I expect this call? I knew I looked suspicious but I could have so many hands there that I really hate the call on his part FWIW. Like, I'd expect to see a flush draw at the very least. Heres what I want to know: was he just not a thinking player, or did I get totally owned? Everett PS I'm having a problem lately (read: past few months) playing "solid" poker. I really can't stand to play tight standard poker because I feel like anyone with half a brain can do it, and I can't possibly have a real advantage over this field by just playing like everyone else. Maybe it's made me try too force to many plays, but it's hard to learn unless i [censored] up. So if you see some retarded LAG stuff, bear with me. [/ QUOTE ] I'll bet you 10 bucks that if you asked that guy he would of said. "I put you on AK" |
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Re: When you look like a maniac
That was a weak bet on his part, but your bet does look suspicious. I would have raised him to ~3K based on that weak bet, and hope he makes another donk bet or checks into my turn so I can fire out again.
He could be one of those players that is "unbluffable" when holding a pair no matter the board though, so that might not work either. |
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Re: When you look like a maniac
i watched that hand, and i just think it was a bad move after the events before it
you did re-raise all-in i think twice before pre-flop, not to mention a fair amount of flop bets/etc., you were very very active in the 2 orbits preceding this hand especially on a 2-flush board .... you get looked up a lot here i think |
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Re: When you look like a maniac
I like preflop. Try calling the flop. Works like a charm [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Re: When you look like a maniac
I can't make his call. But, overbets can be interpretted in so many different ways. I like bullying people like that moreso on the bubble rather than ITM.
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Re: When you look like a maniac
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Heres what I want to know: was he just not a thinking player, or did I get totally owned? [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't say you got owned. The call was marginal on his part... on the other hand, there's aboslutely no way I'd give you credit for a real hand here, and my only concern with calling is that if you have x [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]x [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], with x>6, you have enough outs to make you a favorite in the hand. A normal raise would've been a lot more believable, and a fold even better considering, like you said, that you've been very active recently and any sign of action on your part now will be taken with a huge grain of salt. That's a great time to switch gears and not bluff, then make that kind of an overbet with the nuts... or something close. Kirk |
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