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Old 08-04-2004, 10:30 AM
SkippingGoat SkippingGoat is offline
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Default My overpair is checkraised. What now?

What play do you guys make here? UTG is fairly aggressive and plays a decent (but not fishy) number of pots. He hasn't show down many hands so it's hard for me to tell what kind of values he's playing.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (6 max, 6 handed)

Button ($139.95)
SB ($49)
BB ($61.75)
UTG ($49)
MP ($80.70)
Hero ($89.35)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, MP folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls $3.

Flop: ($9.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG raises to $30</font>

Notes: He checked fairly quickly on the flop but more strange was that his raise was instantaneous. Honestly, I don't even know how he typed it in and hit "raise" that fast.

Thoughts: Part of me was saying that this was a strange way to play a set. If he thought I had overcards, why blast me off them instead of letting me improve or bluff again? If he thought I had an overpair, why not just call and let me bet them again rather than revealing the strength of his hand?

On the other hand, check-raise bluffs aren't all that common at this level. I guess the hand I'm most worried about is 76s.
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Old 08-04-2004, 11:51 AM
PokerFink PokerFink is offline
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Default Re: My overpair is checkraised. What now?

Thats a pretty strange play from a shortstacked player. Honestly, I don't have the foggiest idea. There are a bazillion things he can have. Blah, my mind feels like mush trying to come up with an answer to this one. Without any sort of read on this player, who knows.
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Old 08-04-2004, 11:57 AM
Ghazban Ghazban is offline
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Default Re: My overpair is checkraised. What now?

I'd probably call; as a lot of preflop raising is by people with big unpaired cards (particularly in 6-handed), he could be making this play with anything from 88-QQ that you beat, KK which you push with or AA which beats you. With AA, I'd expect him to have reraised before the flop so that's probably out.

However, I think its more likely that he has a set than you're giving him credit for. If you raised preflop with 2 big spades and are semi-bluffing at the flop, he doesn't want to slowplay his trips. Its a very player dependent situation but, with the number of screwballs playing at this level, I'd call and if I'm beat oh well; rebuy and get those chips back.
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Old 08-04-2004, 11:44 PM
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Default Re: My overpair is checkraised. What now?

my read is that he has small overpair (say 99) and thinks you have top pair and are trying to buy the pot now.

he's afraid you have a good kicker and any overcard that falls means trouble to him. so he bets big to get you to fold or make it worth it for him to see it to the river.

am i close?
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Old 08-04-2004, 11:49 PM
AtlBrvs4Life AtlBrvs4Life is offline
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Default Re: My overpair is checkraised. What now?

I would raise him all-in here. I think you're ahead most of the time, and if you're not ahead, it is only costing you $30 more for a $80 pot.
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Old 08-05-2004, 01:03 AM
Dan Rutter Dan Rutter is offline
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Default Re: My overpair is checkraised. What now?

If UTG is an aggresive player I do not think you have to worry about a hand like 76, or any of the pairs that would have made him a set. He most likely would have bet coming in, or raised you pre-flop. I would not put him on 76 either based on his position. I would think a high pocket pair QQ or AA. If he has been aggressive he may, have changed gears and just limped with these hands pre-flop. It is hard not to see him raising pre-flop though, after your bet. Especially with QQ. Did you see this player limp-in from UTG in the past, or was he/she always coming in for a raise? If the player is always raising when they come in, and then they limp, especially in early position and then call a bet it is pretty possible they are strong. If the player is a tricky one, he/she may have called your bet pre-flop, hoping you had overcards, and planning on putting a move on you if low cards flopped. That would be your check-raise bluff statement. I guess knowing if the opponent always comes in for a bet pre-flop would help me make a decision a little easier. This situation is difficult though.
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:29 AM
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Default Re: My overpair is checkraised. What now?

I would either min-raise or just call and get the money in on the turn unless an ace fell. I say the play is consistent with overpair worse than yours, but may well yet go far. His stack really isn't deep enough at this point to worry about a set, unless you have a really good read on him too.
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Old 08-05-2004, 10:15 AM
schwza schwza is offline
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Default Re: My overpair is checkraised. What now?

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I would either min-raise or just call and get the money in on the turn unless an ace fell.

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villain will have 14 left after the c/r. there's no way hero is getting away regardless of what hits. i would call, on the off chance villain has no pair and will not call but would push on the turn (possibly after making a pair).
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Old 08-05-2004, 10:17 AM
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Default Re: My overpair is checkraised. What now?

Or call the min-raise and then call all-in on the turn. If you push now there is a *chance* he will realize his TT isn't good.
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Old 08-05-2004, 09:36 AM
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Default Re: My overpair is checkraised. What now?

I agree with just about everyone else at this point...sounds like TT, 99, maybe even JJ. That being said I had the same thing happen to me last night with AA and the Villian hit his set holding pocket 8's.
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