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Hand #2, OOP trying to buy a few outs.
3/6 live game, 7 handed
The Button is a thinking aggressive player who becomes very aggressive with position. He has raised my BB 4 outta the last 6 times. Hero is in the BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Preflop, 3 limps, 1 fold, <font color="blue"> Button Raises </font> , SB Folds, <font color="red"> Hero calls </font> , limpers all call. Flop (5 players, 10 SB) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Hero Checks, 3 checks, <font color="blue"> Button bets, </font> <font color="red"> Hero Raises, </font> 3 folds, <font color="blue">Button Calls </font> Turn (2 players 6 BB) 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero Bets, </font> <font color="blue"> Button calls </font> River (2 players, 8 BB) 9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="red"> Hero Bets </font> LLL |
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Re: Hand #2, OOP trying to buy a few outs.
This looks like major spewing. You read says that he's raised your BB 4 times - but on this hand he's also raising 3 limpers. Your read says nothing about how apt this player is to lay down his hand.
PF call is fine. C/F the flop. |
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Re: Hand #2, OOP trying to buy a few outs.
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Your read says nothing about how apt this player is to lay down his hand. [/ QUOTE ] I strongly believe he can lay down a hand. Also, when He has been raising my blinds, there has always been at least a couple of players limp in before his raise (this is 3/6 after all [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) |
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Re: Hand #2, OOP trying to buy a few outs.
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Also, when He has been raising my blinds, there has always been at least a couple of players limp in before his raise (this is 3/6 after all [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]) [/ QUOTE ] So basically - he's just a LAG. [ QUOTE ] I strongly believe he can lay down a hand. [/ QUOTE ] You "believe he can lay down a hand" - OR - "your read based on previous observations is that he lays down hands". There's a big difference. Sorry LLL - but any way you cut this hand - it's still spewing. A7s (A-high @ showdown) in a raised, multiway pot just isn't a winning strategy. |
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Re: Hand #2, OOP trying to buy a few outs.
Crunchy1 is entirely right. There are some spots where, even though it's a big pot, a C/F is in order. On the flop you have no hand and only the weakest of draws. If Mr. Agressive has raised you so often then you will have other opportunities.
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Re: Hand #2, OOP trying to buy a few outs.
I would 3bet preflop (edit: because of your read). if he calls the flop and turn i'm done.
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Re: Hand #2, OOP trying to buy a few outs.
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I would 3bet preflop (edit: because of your read). [/ QUOTE ] YUK! OP's read does not factor in 3 limpers into the read. If this was a steal situation - I agree, it's an easy 3-bet. However - it's not a steal situation. I can't see any situation where a 3-bet here is favorable. I mean - even if we knew it would fold out all 3 limpers - do we really want to isolate a thinking, aggro player OOP after he's shown strength against 5 players? |
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Re: Hand #2, OOP trying to buy a few outs.
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[ QUOTE ] I would 3bet preflop (edit: because of your read). [/ QUOTE ] YUK! OP's read does not factor in 3 limpers into the read. If this was a steal situation - I agree, it's an easy 3-bet. However - it's not a steal situation. [/ QUOTE ] OH MAN.... missed the limpers. I thought it was a button steal. 3betting is criminal. |
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Re: Hand #2, OOP trying to buy a few outs.
Ok, lets destroy my thinking here.
1) Preflop call is fine 2) On the flop, I have an overcard, a backdoor flush draw and a backdoor straight draw. I check the flop, The Button bets which I felt he would do regardless of the flop if all checked to him. 3) Still on the flop, The pot is now 11 SB's. I'd rather not fold. I may not have a ton of outs, but I may have enough. 4) I thought that if I raised the flop, a couple of things might happen. 1) Might knock out a higher A, freeing up some outs. It might buy me a free card (yes I am OOP, but often I can check raise on the flop and not get bet into after I check the Turn). 3) I get a little info on how much the villain likes his hand. So, folding was not an option I looked at. With 11 SB's in and it being one back to me, my choice was between call or raise. I chose raise for the above stated reasons. 5) The turn, I picked up a few more outs, and the flop call from an aggressive villain told me that he was probably not really happy with his hand. I bet out again hoping to fold him. I didn't. 6) The River sucked. I didn't hit my outs. I am not calling with A7 but I will bet with it. I felt that a bet was my only hope to win the pot. I felt I had a better than 8:1 odds he'd fold a better hand. Rip it apart. LLL |
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Re: Hand #2, OOP trying to buy a few outs.
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2) On the flop, I have an overcard, a backdoor flush draw and a backdoor straight draw. I check the flop, The Button bets which I felt he would do regardless of the flop if all checked to him. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see how you can give yourself more than 3 outs here. Getting 11-to-1 with 3 players left to act behind and a good chance that hitting means a second best hand - this seems like a really, REALLY easy fold. [ QUOTE ] 4) I thought that if I raised the flop, a couple of things might happen. 1) Might knock out a higher A, [/ QUOTE ] I don't see AJ-AK folding here. in a LIVE game people gambool. That leaves the only hands worth folding being A8/A9. It's just not worth it. [ QUOTE ] It might buy me a free card (yes I am OOP, but often I can check raise on the flop and not get bet into after I check the Turn). [/ QUOTE ] With an AGGRESSIVE player acting last?!? [ QUOTE ] 5) The turn, I picked up a few more outs, and the flop call from an aggressive villain told me that he was probably not really happy with his hand. I bet out again hoping to fold him. I didn't. 6) The River sucked. I didn't hit my outs. I am not calling with A7 but I will bet with it. I felt that a bet was my only hope to win the pot. I felt I had a better than 8:1 odds he'd fold a better hand. [/ QUOTE ] I just don't think that in a LIVE 3/6 game we should be trying to fold out better hands. Your odds of folding a better hand in this spot are not even remotely close to the odds the pot was offering at this point IMO. |
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