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Old 09-28-2005, 06:22 PM
billymonk billymonk is offline
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Default None of this felt right. AJo

I felt dirty the second I cold-called the preflop raise and basically from there in. Is this a preflop muck? That seems too tight. Is it a raise? If so, how come it is a raise?

Reads are non-existant, first orbit at the table haven't seen anything from CO.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (8.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, Hero calls, BB folds, MP2 folds.

Turn: (5.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">CO bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls.

River: (9.20 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls.

Final Pot: 11.20 BB
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Old 09-28-2005, 06:24 PM
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Default Re: None of this felt right. AJo

I don't cold call AJ. Too many times you're dominated.
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Old 09-28-2005, 06:41 PM
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Default Re: None of this felt right. AJo

I don't like the cold call.
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Old 09-28-2005, 06:42 PM
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Default Re: None of this felt right. AJo

It is a definite preflop muck, even AQo against normal players would be a preflop muck. Flop call is bad, bettor is right before you and you could face a raise behind and you don't have odds to draw (discount your overcard outs).

Turn and river played fine since you hit the J and got lucky.

Remember to generally fold AJo to a raise (except in BB of course). If its sooted AJs then you can cold call if there are cold callers already/others will cold call behind you as it is a much better hand multiway.

Only 3 bet AJo against maniacs to isolate.

Hope this helps
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Old 09-28-2005, 07:00 PM
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Fold pre-flop. If it were suited, I'd call against an unknown. Here, an unknown raises after someone has limped... I'd put him on your typical raising hands. AK-AQ, TT-AA, and MAYBE KQ if you're lucky. You really only want him to turn over TT and KQ. Don't worry about being too tight when other's raise. You should be playing extremely tight when there's a raise before you!

Flop: Call was "okay". You barely had the odds to continue with overcards and BDSD, and that's only when you factor in implied odds. You also might have high reverse implied odds here if an ace hits the turn. Folding probably would be better.

Turn-River: Good.
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Old 09-28-2005, 07:01 PM
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Default Re: None of this felt right. AJo

Fold preflop, fold the flop. You're a dog against the pfr's range of hands.
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Old 09-28-2005, 07:56 PM
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Default Re: None of this felt right. AJo

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Fold preflop, fold the flop. You're a dog against the pfr's range of hands.

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Really? I would think a CO raise could be quite a few hands. Now if it were UTG raising, yeah.

I'm leaning more towards 3 betting preflop, than folding. Might get EP to fold and see a 4 card flop.
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Old 09-29-2005, 08:29 AM
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Default Re: None of this felt right. AJo

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I'm leaning more towards 3 betting preflop, than folding. Might get EP to fold and see a 4 card flop.

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and you say you can't play 6-max. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

OP: preflop is read-based. but it is definitely a raise/fold situation. hand changes from there.
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Old 09-29-2005, 08:59 AM
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Default Re: None of this felt right. AJo

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I'm leaning more towards 3 betting preflop, than folding. Might get EP to fold and see a 4 card flop.

[/ QUOTE ]OP: preflop is read-based. but it is definitely a raise/fold situation. hand changes from there.

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Hero having the button inclines me to three bet.
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Old 09-29-2005, 09:25 AM
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Default Re: None of this felt right. AJo

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Fold preflop, fold the flop. You're a dog against the pfr's range of hands.

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Really? I would think a CO raise could be quite a few hands. Now if it were UTG raising, yeah.

I'm leaning more towards 3 betting preflop, than folding. Might get EP to fold and see a 4 card flop.

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Against a good, agressive player, this may be true, but against an unknown at these limits, I think its a clear fold. The typical opponent is loose but passive, and not particularly position-aware. Therefore I think AJo does play very poorly against the likely range of hands of the raiser.
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