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AngryCola 11 6.18%
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BusterStacks 13 7.30%
Daliman 7 3.93%
daryn 16 8.99%
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Gordon Bombay 11 6.18%
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housenuts 7 3.93%
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mason55 2 1.12%
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Old 07-08-2005, 02:03 AM
Daliman Daliman is offline
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Default Hypothetical situation, i\'d like opinions.

Ok, I'm gonna place a hypothetical situation, and you tell me your opinions, please.

Lets say a player asks you to play in a multi-table tournament for him for the first couple hours on his account, then he will take over when he gets home. You assume you are going to be 50/50 on this, but it's never specifically discussed. You build a nice stack for the guy over the course of 2 or so hours you play, then talk to him on the phone going over hands when you turn it over to him for the next 3 hours, in which time he gets to the final table.

All the sudden, when it gets down to 4 handed, and you are both in for a big payday, he tells you he is only going to give you a little less than 20%. You aren't gonna make a big deal out of it at the moment, cuz he might stiff you entirely then. He goes on to win, and throws you about 18%. What do you do? What do you think? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Old 07-08-2005, 02:06 AM
Nick B. Nick B. is offline
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Default Re: Hypothetical situation, i\'d like opinions.

I think 18% is about right for 2 hours in the beginning of the tournament.
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Old 07-08-2005, 02:11 AM
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Default Re: Hypothetical situation, i\'d like opinions.

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I think 18% is about right for 2 hours in the beginning of the tournament.

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Nick, are you the other guy?

Anyway, without a solid verbal agreement, I think 15-25% range seems fair. I know the worst is that you were expecting more, and that sucks. If you felt there was an arrangement for 50% and he's disagreeing, I'd go with your gut instincts. If you really don't think he thinks he was going to split 50/50, then let it go. For example, if he said, "Dali-my man, will you play the first couple hours of an MTT for me, and if I cash we'll split it?" This is precisely the kind of thing I'm guessing took place. Then I'd say, hey, you said 20%, why the jip?

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Old 07-08-2005, 02:17 AM
Daliman Daliman is offline
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Default Re: Hypothetical situation, i\'d like opinions.

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I think 18% is about right for 2 hours in the beginning of the tournament.

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He also coached/compared ideas with him for the final 3 hours he played, all the way through the last hand. Maybe my initial post was entirely clear on this point, but it's there.

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You build a nice stack for the guy over the course of 2 or so hours you play, then talk to him on the phone going over hands when you turn it over to him for the next 3 hours, in which time he gets to the final table.


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I understand some may think the sencond player did most of the heavy lifting by winning, but building a stack early is obviously an integral part of tournament success. As he remembered, he was about an average stack when it was passed off, and at that rate, if he had 40% of the play, he should get 40% of the take, but saying 50% cut of 40% play i suppose comes out close, but then the other guy is getting way more than a 50% cut of the 60% he played.
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Old 07-08-2005, 02:24 AM
DonButtons DonButtons is offline
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Default Re: Hypothetical situation, i\'d like opinions.

you like starting very controversial topics between friends ehh? lol
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Old 07-08-2005, 02:26 AM
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Don't play a tournament for someone without discussing the financial plans in advance and you'll avoid all of this trouble.
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Old 07-08-2005, 02:37 AM
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Don't play a tournament for someone without discussing the financial plans in advance and you'll avoid all of this trouble.

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Old 07-08-2005, 05:43 AM
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Default Re: Hypothetical situation, i\'d like opinions.

Last part of the tournament is where it becomes more difficult.

Plus you didn't have to put up any buyin.... But he said 20% so he should payup the other 2%
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Old 07-08-2005, 05:49 AM
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Default Re: Hypothetical situation, i\'d like opinions.

Right, 50/50 seems to be too much (I answered "meh").

Anyways, there was no deal, so you had to make one. He offer about 20%. You accepted. That's your deal! You got 18% which is "about" 20% in my book.

If you are dicontent now, maybe you should have been put more effort in the deal making process?
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Old 07-08-2005, 05:52 AM
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Last part of the tournament is where it becomes more difficult.

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True but it helps to have built a nice stack. At first i thought it said u had a solid aggreement to split, after seeing that i think 20% is fine.

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