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probably been discussed innumerable times before here.
but does anyone have the same problem i do?? namely that you really don't want to put your life on the line really early on 60/40 odds. not really the math of it which is somehwat debatable (people say early chips aren't worth that much), but just the human side. went with 4 people to a no-limit tournament recently. the other players thought i was really good and i didn't want to let them down... but really, does being the first person out really make you a bad player??? obvious answer is no, but it's hard to get away from in your mind. and another thing i thought of, does anyone look at time being worth something?? i.e. take a decent chance (60%/40%) at doubling or quadrupling fairly early. because i've found it fairly difficult to comeback once other people have alot of chips. i think people are much more aggressive these days, and even bad aggressive players are somewhat dangerous in no-limit. |
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"but does anyone have the same problem i do?? namely that you really don't want to put your life on the line really early on 60/40 odds. not really the math of it which is somehwat debatable"
No and no. |
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Nope. First out or bubbled out are exactly the same payout.
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I would rather be first out than bubble...
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I will take a 60/40 edge at any stage of the tournament, and I think most players a lot better than me would. I don't think there is any stigma to getting busted early...you will last a few hrs by not playing a hand, it doesn't mean anything. I would prefer to go out early losing a hand where I made the right decision and got outdrawn, then be inactive get blinded down to a short-stack and forced to make a move when I may well have the worse of it.
In fact I would rather finish last than just out of the money if there is some side game action I can get involved in. |
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Agreed except in the case where there is 6 or so people left, the delta between 6 and 3 is real, and if there is someone else at the table on life support I'll pass on a 60/40.
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If you play enough tournies, it will happen at least once.
Last spring I was in a WSOP satellite at Treasure Island in Red Wing Minnesota. Last hand in blind level one. I get pocket 8's. Flop is 8 5 3. There's a raise and two calls. I go all in. UTG (who had called the BB) calls, everyone else folds. He's got AA. Turn 2 River 4 [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img] The TD was from the RIO in Vegas. This hand was the first all in of the night, so he was announcing it as it played out. I got a round of applause and a goody bag full of crap. My table was against the back wall, so I had a long walk. I'd make that play again. I had a chance to more than double up early on top set. If you have a +EP play early or middle or late, you take it. |
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As long as you value the opinion others have of you more than you value your opinion of yourself, you'll have these dillemas. If you pass a 60/40 hand to achieve 100% approval, you're losing both.
If they're calling me an idiot because I took their money, call me an idiot and my dog ugly. CJ |
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cactus. i don't think people call you an idiot because you take their money. just a thought!!
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cactus. i don't think people call you an idiot because you take their money. just a thought!! [/ QUOTE ] hmmm, that's a shot, isn't it? You're doing great here. I expect you to be enjoying yourself real soon. Nobody else will be enjoying you, however. When are you going to be referring to yourself in the third person? |
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