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Cream Continues to Rise to the Top (WSOP Results)
Where is the evidence so far of the demise of skill and rise of luck in the WSOP now that your average donk thinks he has a legitimate shot at a bracelet?
Event No. 1 (2300+): 1: Allen Cunningman - $1,482,037 since '98 (1 Bracelet - now 2); 2: Scott Fischman - $866,938 since Sep. '02 (2 Bracelets); 3: Devilfish - $2,732,946 since '93 (1 Bracelet); Event No. 2 (800+): 1: Thom Werthmann - 179th in 2004 WSOP ME (1st Bracelet) 2: Layne Flack - $2,561,475 since '98 (5 Bracelets) 3: Tony Ma - $1,885,504 since '96 (2 Bracelets) Boy, it sure looks like the "pros" have NO shot at the big spots in a field full of fish. Or is that just an excuse for getting run over....? Skill - 6 Fishes - 0 |
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Re: Cream Continues to Rise to the Top (WSOP Results)
How do you know Werthmann isn't a fish and just did well in a couple of tourneys?
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Re: Cream Continues to Rise to the Top (WSOP Results)
Yeah, look at 2+2er Tyler Durden (126th in the WSOP ME 2004) he is a fish.
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Re: Cream Continues to Rise to the Top (WSOP Results)
Two events of the WSOP isn't enough to prove your theory correct. Certainly you don't expect the top 3 of every event to have similar track records. But your point is taken.
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Re: Cream Continues to Rise to the Top (WSOP Results)
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Two events of the WSOP isn't enough to prove your theory correct. [/ QUOTE ] Guess I didn't intend to put it out as a "theory" per se (more of a statement of fact), but Event 2 is about as good a test of the "theory" as were likely to see until the ME. [ QUOTE ] Certainly you don't expect the top 3 of every event to have similar track records. [/ QUOTE ] Absolutely not. My interest in tracking this is quite simply borne of the incessant discussion about how the massive fields make it so difficult for skilled players to make the top money. I don't believe that to be the case, so this is my way of trying to add a little substance to the conjecture. |
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Re: Cream Continues to Rise to the Top (WSOP Results)
Sigh.
If you money in the WSOP ME in '04 and then win a Bracelet the following year, the paradigm should be that you are believed skilled until proven otherwise. You, however, seem to believe that no one has proven that negative (i.e., "I am not a fish"') until they provide you with a complete data set of all tournaments they ever entered so you can perform a regression analysis to determine whether luck is a significant factor in their results. That is asinine. My definition of "fish" certainly includes 2+2ers who respond to a thread about a Bracelet winner by saying "How do you know he's not a fish?" |
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Re: Cream Continues to Rise to the Top (WSOP Results)
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Sigh. If you money in the WSOP ME in '04 and then win a Bracelet the following year, the paradigm should be that you are believed skilled until proven otherwise. You, however, seem to believe that no one has proven that negative (i.e., "I am not a fish"') until they provide you with a complete data set of all tournaments they ever entered so you can perform a regression analysis to determine whether luck is a significant factor in their results. That is asinine. My definition of "fish" certainly includes 2+2ers who respond to a thread about a Bracelet winner by saying "How do you know he's not a fish?" [/ QUOTE ] "asenine" You say this guy's a good player based on TWO TOURNAMENTS? C'mon. Who's being asenine now? Good players = 5 unknown = 1. fixed. |
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Re: Cream Continues to Rise to the Top (WSOP Results)
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"asenine" [/ QUOTE ] Well that's a first. Never seen someone mis-correct someone else's spelling. |
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Re: Cream Continues to Rise to the Top (WSOP Results)
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[ QUOTE ] "asenine" [/ QUOTE ] Well that's a first. Never seen someone mis-correct someone else's spelling. [/ QUOTE ] yeah that was pretty asinine of me |
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Re: Cream Continues to Rise to the Top (WSOP Results)
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Sigh. If you money in the WSOP ME in '04 and then win a Bracelet the following year, the paradigm should be that you are believed skilled until proven otherwise. You, however, seem to believe that no one has proven that negative (i.e., "I am not a fish"') until they provide you with a complete data set of all tournaments they ever entered so you can perform a regression analysis to determine whether luck is a significant factor in their results. That is asinine. My definition of "fish" certainly includes 2+2ers who respond to a thread about a Bracelet winner by saying "How do you know he's not a fish?" [/ QUOTE ] ps I love the two or three personal shots fired for asking what I perceived as a harmless question. Sorry to have stirred your [censored] or whatever. Jeez. |
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