Quick one

[Nate tha' Great]

3-handed 30/60 LAG who is probably auto-raising here open-raises from the SB, I defend the BB with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. BTW this guy is likely to keep betting no matter what I don't think free cards are likely.

Flop 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] he bets. This is a call, right?

[mctommy015]

Do you then check fold the turn unimproved? What do you plan to do if A. a J comes B. a 5 comes, C. a 6 comes, and D. a spade comes? I've been having some difficulties in short handed situations like this and am never really sure of what to do.

[Subfallen]

A fold seems wrong when you can basically have 6-8 outs here and will get paid nicely on your backdoor draws when LAG has anything decent.

[Stoli7]

Against a random hand on that flop, you are about 30-40% of the time favourite to win . If my estimation is correct [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
so I think call is ok against auto-betting LAG

[Zygote]

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3-handed 30/60 LAG who is probably auto-raising here open-raises from the SB, I defend the BB with J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. BTW this guy is likely to keep betting no matter what I don't think free cards are likely.

Flop 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] he bets. This is a call, right?

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There is no doubt in my mind that this is a +EV call.

[pfkaok]

Yeah, i think this is surely a call w/ the outs that you likely have.

in a spot like this though, do you ever try semibluff raising on the turn if you pick up one of your draws, or is the bluff factor in the semibluff just too miniscule?

also, vs. a LAG i'd think you'd raise if you hit the J on the turn, since you'd then be a huge favorite at that point, but would a 5 on the turn be enough to raise, or would there be better value in simply calling down there vs. most LAGs?

[bobbyi]

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also, vs. a LAG i'd think you'd raise if you hit the J on the turn, since you'd then be a huge favorite at that point, but would a 5 on the turn be enough to raise, or would there be better value in simply calling down there vs. most LAGs?

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I think you can raise the five because it creates lots of straight possibility (e.g., any ace now has a gutshot), so there are lots of ways for you to get action from a worse hand. It looks to me like you can raise for value given how often you will extract an extra bet from something you are beating.

[pfkaok]

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I think you can raise the five because it creates lots of straight possibility (e.g., any ace now has a gutshot), so there are lots of ways for you to get action from a worse hand. It looks to me like you can raise for value given how often you will extract an extra bet from something you are beating.

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Well, i mean, i know you get value out of the raise, but when you raise the turn, is it with the idea of checking behind, or betting on most rivers if checked to? The only reason that i'd think calling rather than raising might be better is b/c the assumption vs. this guy is that he's probably going to bet the river if you just call on the turn. So i guess if you're still likely to have a value bet on the river after raising the turn then it makes sense, but to me it seems that a lot of rivers won't give you great opportunities for getting an obvious value bet.

[Magikist]

The way the opponent is described, it sounds like it's impossible to move him off anything decent, even king high. We don't know exactly what Nate's image is at the time, and that's very important when discussing scenarios like this.

To me, calling the flop with the intention of semibluff raising the turn is a bad idea. Given the description of the opponent, there's little fold equity and J5 has absolutely no showdown value. As a result, you are forced to bet the river when you miss, and it's hands like these that burn chips.

A relentlessly aggressive opponent who autobets is very easy to exploit. Hit the board and raise for value. There are much better times to get involved than this one.

[Silverback]

easy fold, u need to hot a jack to have anything, anything else is just likely to cost you more without the odds, ie improve ur current backdoors.

btw if he was the sort of player to give free card how would it then be played?