I started doing this lately...

krishanleong · #1 11-06-2005, 10:23 AM

should I stop?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
Hero raises, 1 fold, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, SB calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Villian is 52/10/.8/36 over 734 hands.

Krishan

pshabi · #2 11-06-2005, 10:30 AM

What are you trying to accomplish? Free card? nice job. If not? Then, well, I don't get it.

krishanleong · #3 11-06-2005, 11:04 AM

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What are you trying to accomplish? Free card? nice job. If not? Then, well, I don't get it.

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Yeah, basic free card play. HUSHers are correctly ingrained not to take free cards HU. I haven't really been using a free card play very often anymore. I've been building it back into my repetroire and was wondering if others use it/if it's a profitable move given my outs and the small pot size.

I have done the math and I think it's okay. Posted for some confirmation.

Krishan

kiddo · #4 11-06-2005, 01:56 PM

Yep, I think its ok to do it for freecard.

What do u think he is betting on this flop that needs a freecard for u?

Wouldnt you prefer to have A-high, so u can call a river(bluff?)bet. Or would u bet turn ater raising flop if u had a good hand like AT?

krishanleong · #5 11-06-2005, 02:35 PM

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Yep, I think its ok to do it for freecard.

What do u think he is betting on this flop that needs a freecard for u?

Wouldnt you prefer to have A-high, so u can call a river(bluff?)bet. Or would u bet turn ater raising flop if u had a good hand like AT?

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My guess is a 3 or a pp 22-88. Generally I don't think passive players bet unpaired hands in this spot. It's possible that he has a 9 and possible that he has an ace. But I'd weight those much less that a 3 or PP.

Krishan

kiddo · #6 11-06-2005, 05:53 PM

yep, totally agree, missread board, thought it was 2 flush which would have made it a bit trickier

DMBFan23 · #7 11-06-2005, 06:36 PM

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HUSHers are correctly ingrained not to take free cards HU

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say huh?

dave44 · #8 11-06-2005, 10:30 PM

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HUSHers are correctly ingrained not to take free cards HU

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say huh?

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Most of the time in shorthanded games, you can make such an immediate profit from the fold equity on your semi-bluffs that its less often correct to check behind for the free card.

Wynton · #9 11-06-2005, 10:42 AM

I do this 23.472% of the time against an unknown, which I think is about right. Against a LP, I believe it makes sense to do it somewhat more.

nfscreech · #10 11-06-2005, 11:07 AM

I think it's ok.

Assuming your outs are clean, you're a bit less than a 3:1 underdog to hit your hand on the river. You're getting 4:1 on your money by raising the flop.

Edit: I don't really know anymore. Getting 3-bet/lead into on the turn really kills this play.