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Seems like the HOF voters neglect all-time great pitchers (esp. closers) and quickly usher in borderline position players.
Bert Blyleven, for example? Why the hell is he not in the HOF? Retired THIRD on career strikeouts list with 3,701. Currently fifth. Only thirteen wins short of 300. 242 Complete Games. 60 shutouts. Pitched a no-hitter. Won 2 World Series with a 2-1 record, 2.35 ERA. 3-0 in the LCS. Negatives: Only won 20 games once (20-17 in 1973). Lost 250 games. All the strikeouts came at the expense of a lot of HRs, especially near the end of his career. 3.31 Lifetime ERA is a little high, but compares favorably with Carlton (3.22), Ryan (3.19), Early Wynn (3.54), and some other HOF pitchers. Very, very solid pitcher who is not in and does not seem to be close. I say 3,700 strikouts gets you in. Thoughts? |
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GET HIM IN THERE!
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I think the credibility in the strikeouts is meaningless, but that doesn't make Blylven a bad candidate. On the contrary, I think he's perhaps the most glaring example of a pitcher who should be in the Hall of Fame, but is not, for whatever reason.
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he was never considered the best at his position during his time in the league.
I don't necessarily think that Blylevin doesn't belong wrt other inductees, but I do think that a lot of people in there don't belong. |
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Blyleven comes down to 'good, not great.' His era is good, not great. He led the league in losses once, but never in wins. He's third in K's, but again, never led the league. But probably the biggest knock is he was basically a .500 pitcher, with a 287-250 record. That's an average 13-11 over his 22 years. Yes, the team he played for had something to do with that, but it's still a very hard sell for the voters.
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Blyleven is one of those players who I think should clearly be in compared to those already in, but I would prefer the HOF would have never put many of those players in the first place.
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Blylevin should defnitely be in. His exclusion is one of the biggest oversights, with Ron Santo being the biggest. It is a joke Santo is not in.
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Black Ink: Pitching - 16 (128) (Average HOFer ~ 40)
Gray Ink: Pitching - 239 (23) (Average HOFer ~ 185) HOF Standards: Pitching - 50.0 (36) (Average HOFer ~ 50) HOF Monitor: Pitching - 120.5 (67) (Likely HOFer > 100) Overall Rank in parentheses. Act.- Denotes rank among active players, Car. - Denotes career rank Click on the Car, Act or Year to see the career, active, or league leaderboard. Similar Pitchers View in Pop-up Don Sutton (914) * Gaylord Perry (909) * Fergie Jenkins (890) * Tommy John (889) Robin Roberts (876) * Tom Seaver (864) * Jim Kaat (854) Early Wynn (844) * Phil Niekro (844) * Steve Carlton (840) * Just based on a quick look at the numbers, it's pretty clear to me that he belongs in the hall of fame. These scores are from baseball-reference.com. Agree, it's a separate argument that maybe many of these pitchers don't belong.... but in comparison to pitchers already there.... he's better than a lot of them. Read Rob Neyer. |
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What site are you getting those numbers from?
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Say what???
Could you please give some explanation as to what goes into these rankings. Black ink? Gray Ink? Huh? |
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