JJ: Playing with an overcard on BOARD

flopmonster · #1 11-03-2005, 10:56 AM

CO looks tight after 20 hands
UTG was just loose and his cap to me just said, "WHY NOT?"

I am pretty sure I F'd this one up.. thanks for comments

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG calls, Hero folds.

toss · #2 11-03-2005, 10:58 AM

Good fold.

@bsolute_luck · #3 11-03-2005, 11:05 AM

once UTG calls i think it is dangerous and you have a tight read CO, so i don't think the fold was horrible unless you think CO would iso you with TT/99.

when i looked at this hand i thought: 3-bet and fold to a cap, but i don't know if that's right. or donk a non-A/K/T/9 turn and fold to a raise from CO.

Shiva · #4 11-03-2005, 12:37 PM

What was CO read of you? Assuming CO figured you for a LAG isolating you with TT/99 makes sense. Continuing with aggression on flop to eliminate EP player to define his hand and get HU with you. Betting the turn hoping for a fold or free showdown with position makes sense to me.

I would check call turn and hope for freebie on river.

BustN_Lose

flopmonster · #5 11-03-2005, 01:35 PM

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What was CO read of you? Assuming CO figured you for a LAG isolating you with TT/99 makes sense. Continuing with aggression on flop to eliminate EP player to define his hand and get HU with you. Betting the turn hoping for a fold or free showdown with position makes sense to me.

I would check call turn and hope for freebie on river.

BustN_Lose

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Like I said there had only been 20 hands played and honestly I can't remember what my "table image" was because I can't recall if I had raised a few pots or won pots or whatever. This hand really pissed me off when I saw the results, but looking back on it I think its a really tough spot and cases could be made for both the peel and fold UI, call and donk, and folding on the flop like I did.

pokerjunky · #6 11-03-2005, 11:26 AM

Given your read on CO this looks like a good fold. Given the preflop action + flop raise I'm putting him on QQ, KK, or AA a vast majority of the time. He could be raising TT but I doubt it, and you still have to worry about UTG.

#7 11-03-2005, 11:28 AM

I don't think its a bad idea to call and donk the turn/fold to a raise. That was my initial reaction to this hand.

crunchy1 · #8 11-03-2005, 11:35 AM

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I don't think its a bad idea to call and donk the turn/fold to a raise. That was my initial reaction to this hand.

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= spewing an extra 1.5BBs.

CO is tight and 3-bet PF. His range is pretty small and well defined. He didn't have the chance to cap PF and is now continuing his PF aggression on the flop. Putting in any more bets after the initial flop bet is just hating money.

#9 11-03-2005, 11:37 AM

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I don't think its a bad idea to call and donk the turn/fold to a raise. That was my initial reaction to this hand.

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= spewing an extra 1.5BBs.

CO is tight and 3-bet PF. His range is pretty small and well defined. He didn't have the chance to cap PF and is now continuing his PF aggression on the flop. Putting in any more bets after the initial flop bet is just hating money.

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"Looks tight after 20 hands" doesn't = rock.

@bsolute_luck · #10 11-03-2005, 11:42 AM

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I don't think its a bad idea to call and donk the turn/fold to a raise. That was my initial reaction to this hand.

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= spewing an extra 1.5BBs.

CO is tight and 3-bet PF. His range is pretty small and well defined. He didn't have the chance to cap PF and is now continuing his PF aggression on the flop. Putting in any more bets after the initial flop bet is just hating money.

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hahah i'm sorry i just have to laugh at your postings about spewing after reading K4o and 82s