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#1
11-16-2005, 05:53 PM
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5/10 QQ?
The BB is 18/6.6/2 after 287 hands. So far he has never raised pre-flop from the BB. So far he's shown down 5 hands he raises pre-flop: TT, 88, KK, AKo, ATo. I put him on a monster here and wanted a cheap showdown. But the 2 other players make me think about protecting my hand.
Rock Garden Poker (Empire) 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls, Button calls. Flop: (13.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero calls, Button calls. Turn: (8.70 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Hero ? Do I: - Raise to protect my hand? - Call hoping to hit a Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]? - Fold, he obviously has 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]? 
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#2
11-16-2005, 05:56 PM
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Re: 5/10 QQ?
Raise and beat his JJ.
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#3
11-16-2005, 05:57 PM
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Re: 5/10 QQ?
for god sakes cap preflop. it's not close.
raise the flop. raise the turn. don't bring this weak/tight shite in here. he's a tag that's not terribly aggressive. fine. whatever. you've got to be putting more bets in here. all over the place.
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#4
11-16-2005, 06:00 PM
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Re: 5/10 QQ?
[ QUOTE ]
don't bring this weak/tight shite in here. he's a tag that's not terribly aggressive. fine. whatever. you've got to be putting more bets in here. all over the place. [/ QUOTE ] Is it possible to put an opponent on a read of JJ-AA? I'm trying to learn to adjust my play depending on my opponents. I value bet mid-pair a lot against calling stations, semi-bluff a lot against weak-tighties, and respect the raises of players that don't raise a lot.
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#5
11-16-2005, 05:58 PM
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Re: 5/10 QQ?
1. Your read is great. My compliments.
2. I see no reason to raise this flop and I'm glad you didn't. Waiting for a non-club, non-overcard turn is better. Waiting also allows you to get out cheaply if, say, UTG comes to life on the turn with raise. 3. Brett can tell you what line I'll advocate on the turn: Raise and take a free showdown. You're ahead here enough to see a showdown, and since the guy in between (and even the pfr) might be betting draws, overcards, etc..., it's much better to make them pay now the times you're ahead. With so few outs you can safely fold to a three-bet. The presence of the button behind you (who likely has some outs to beat your hand) totally seals the deal for a raise here.
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#6
11-16-2005, 06:00 PM
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Re: 5/10 QQ?
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1. Your read is great. My compliments. [/ QUOTE ] really? f'reals? fwiw i think you're correct about the flop. waiting for a safe turn is fine.
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#7
11-16-2005, 06:02 PM
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Re: 5/10 QQ?
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[ QUOTE ] 1. Your read is great. My compliments. [/ QUOTE ] really? f'reals? fwiw i think you're correct about the flop. waiting for a safe turn is fine. [/ QUOTE ] I just think the fact that he can name all the hands this dude has shown down when raising pre-flop is pretty good. Noting he doesn't raise out of the BB is good to. That + stats adds up to a pretty solid read in my opinion, though I would like to have a better sense of his post-flop play.
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#8
11-16-2005, 06:13 PM
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Re: 5/10 QQ?
i suspect that he knew which hands he showed down AFTER the hand was played (i.e. w/ additional research)
but even with that range i think you're getting 3-bet by AKs and JJ which is enough to make a cap +ev with the rest of the crowd being brought along
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#9
11-16-2005, 06:18 PM
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Re: 5/10 QQ?
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i suspect that he knew which hands he showed down AFTER the hand was played (i.e. w/ additional research) but even with that range i think you're getting 3-bet by AKs and JJ which is enough to make a cap +ev with the rest of the crowd being brought along [/ QUOTE ] Oh yeah, didn't think about pre-flop at all. We should cap here. I cap QQ and AK pretty much anytime there's riff-raff along for the ride.
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#10
11-16-2005, 07:28 PM
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Re: 5/10 QQ?
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3. Brett can tell you what line I'll advocate on the turn: Raise and take a free showdown. [/ QUOTE ] I think there are many river cards that we could bet again for value (based on action), no?
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