Party 30/60, pretending to be McDermott

[shmahappens]

Villian is 20/10/1.83, solid not out of line postflop
I had the opening scene from rounders running through my head when I played this hand...Bad? Good?
Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $30.
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (5.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

[mrkilla]

you watch to many movies

[shmahappens]

I agree cocaroach, but was the play good or bad? He folds just about any pp to a turn bet, and is a solid player who if he is on a draw (and hasn't given in to the 'awesome' strategy of capping any draw heads up) would probably give up on the turn to a smallish pot.

[DcifrThs]

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I agree cocaroach, but was the play good or bad? He folds just about any pp to a turn bet, and is a solid player who if he is on a draw (and hasn't given in to the 'awesome' strategy of capping any draw heads up) would probably give up on the turn to a smallish pot.

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theres an ace and flush draw out there

betting here also lets you bet other turns...now when you check later on it shows you dont have as good a hand.

-Barron

[esspo]

*Yawn*

[flawless_victory]

what the hell are you talking about? if want to ask about your turn play, ill let you know it sucks...

[DcifrThs]

for some reason do you think he's folding an A or flush draw on the turn?

you cost yourself bets....whole EV bets, not just fractions of bets.

-Barron

[shmahappens]

I think he's folding a draw as he isn't getting odds and knows I won't go rediculous bets without having him beat, and that if he had an A he would have raised by now. Whereas if he has a medium pair or 2nd he is going to lead the river (even with a busted draw), and have trouble folding to a raise (with a pair). So how am I not getting the most from a weak pair while getting more than I should from a draw?

[esspo]

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So how am I not getting the most from a weak pair while getting more than I should from a draw?

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First, you are putting wya to much emphasis on getting money out of draws. Second, by checking the turn you get nothing from the draws because draws check-fold the river unimproved. Needless to say your rationale seems confused.

I could go on and on about you missing bets from such and such hands hands SB could hold, but I won't.

[pfkaok]

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I think he's folding a draw as he isn't getting odds and knows I won't go rediculous bets without having him beat,

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He's not folding a flush draw or OESD on this board. if he has some kind of combo, gutshot+flush, or OESD +flush, or flush+2pair, he'll likely CR turn.

you can't possibly make more from draws by letting him draw for free, then hoping he hits. just b/c he's drawing dead doesn't mean you have to let him draw dead for free.