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Old 09-22-2005, 07:16 PM
Nick B. Nick B. is offline
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Default AK hand 200+15

I think there are two debatable streets here. Preflop I am calling 150 into a pot of 400 and I HAVE POSITION!!!! I thought that was a pretty standard call but another 2+2er I talked to thought it was close.


***** Hand History for Game 2757165720 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $200 Buy-in + $15 Entry Fee Trny:15972733 Level:2 Blinds(15/30) - Thursday, September 22, 18:38:56 EDT 2005
Table Table 13292 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: BC_fish ( $953 )
Seat 2: ANNAMAGANDA ( $858 )
Seat 3: Shatoufee ( $1075 )
Seat 4: MainFish ( $375 )
Seat 6: Spot81 ( $2565 )
Seat 7: erpoker ( $1152 )
Seat 8: EdMoney111 ( $1310 )
Seat 9: drock56 ( $562 )
Seat 10: TEPop84 ( $1150 )
Trny:15972733 Level:2
Blinds(15/30)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to TEPop84 [ Ac Kd ]
EdMoney111 calls [30].
drock56 folds.
TEPop84 raises [100].
BC_fish folds.
ANNAMAGANDA folds.
Shatoufee folds.
MainFish folds.
Spot81 folds.
erpoker raises [220].
EdMoney111 folds.
TEPop84 calls [150].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, 9d, 4d ]
erpoker is all-In [902]
TEPop84 is all-In [900]

Here is where I thought the debate was. The pot odds are pretty big almost 1.6:1 and I think my hand runs pretty well against the hands that a person could reraise out of the bb. I only have the second nut flush draw, but he didn't play it like he has the nut flush draw unless he has AdK. I can discount AdA cause I really doubt he would play it like that, even though I would be heavily [censored] if he did. Do you think the flop call was good or [censored]?
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Old 09-22-2005, 07:23 PM
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I think the flop call is probably correct. If he has something like KK you are almost a coin flip (I can call it a coin flip since people routinely call AK vs QQ a coinflip preflop, and the odds in this case are about the same... 44%-56%). Even against AA you will win over 1/3 times and you are a favorite against QQ.
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Old 09-22-2005, 07:25 PM
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Default Re: AK hand 200+15

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Preflop I am calling 150 into a pot of 400 and I HAVE POSITION!!!! I thought that was a pretty standard call ...

I think my hand runs pretty well against the hands that a person could reraise out of the bb.

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What hands do you think those are?

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Old 09-22-2005, 07:37 PM
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Default Re: AK hand 200+15

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Preflop I am calling 150 into a pot of 400 and I HAVE POSITION!!!! I thought that was a pretty standard call ...

I think my hand runs pretty well against the hands that a person could reraise out of the bb.

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What hands do you think those are?

citanul

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Probably TT-AA, AQ+. If he has TT_QQ I am either a coinflip or small favorite depending if he has a diamond. AQs I am a huge favorite against cause I doubt he would push if he flopped a flush. AdQx I am still a favorite over. AdAx is also unlikely to be a flop push. AA with no diamonds has me in bad shape but not awful (2-1). KK and I am a little better than a 3:2 dog.
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Old 09-22-2005, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: AK hand 200+15

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Preflop I am calling 150 into a pot of 400 and I HAVE POSITION!!!! I thought that was a pretty standard call ...

I think my hand runs pretty well against the hands that a person could reraise out of the bb.

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What hands do you think those are?

citanul

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Probably TT-AA, AQ+.

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Wow, that's looser than the standards that I give the random player for making a minireraise when they're IN position, and this guy did it out of position. Are my thoughts just totally way off?

citanul
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Old 09-22-2005, 07:47 PM
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I would expect a tighter range, but you never know when someone is being crazy.
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Old 09-22-2005, 07:29 PM
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I don't know, but my thoughts are he has KK or AA with no diamond or JJ or QQ with or without.
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Old 09-22-2005, 07:51 PM
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I would also throw in 8's or 9's. My 200 experience is limited at best but I would imagine the aggressive play at this lvl is even more so than the 100's. A set here wouldn't shock me.

JJ
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Old 09-22-2005, 10:43 PM
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Of course the actual hands could be a much wider range. I haven't played a $215, but I have seen some shocking hands posted.

BUT, do you think 88 or 99 makes that preflop raise?
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Old 09-22-2005, 10:51 PM
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Of course the actual hands could be a much wider range. I haven't played a $215, but I have seen some shocking hands posted.

BUT, do you think 88 or 99 makes that preflop raise?

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You can never discount anything on PartyPoker, people can do crazy things.
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