"Official" Live at the Bike thread (11/11) (10/20 NL Bluff Night)

[Kevmath]

Tonight's game is scheduled to be the usual Friday night game of 10/20 NL, 1k min (no max) buyin. Some of the featured players tonight include Carlos from last night, Corporation Mike, "Action Joe" Nguyen", Mo and many others. While it may be difficult to get into the 50/100 game, this game is usually found of LAGgy players that could easily be picked off.

An added feature will be a prize given away for the best bluff of the night, as voted on the viewers thru the thread and email. The prize tonight is luxury suite tickets for 6 to an LA Clippers or LA Kings game next week. You can watch all the exciting action at www.liveatthebike.com from 6-9pm PT.

[BarronVangorToth]

How depressing. My last episode of Live at the Bike for a while. Looking forward to watching for a little tonight (c'mon, guys, entertain the hell out of me -- and quick!) before I have to head out.

HOPEFULLY, as a reminder for the Nth time, I'll be able to make it there this coming Thursday, all the planets aligning and all that, to wax eloquently (and not so) for three hours straight about ... whatever.

The best part being that I wouldn't have to keep notes in order to write an article from the festivities: we have, after all, the wonder that is The Archives Of Doom, with $14.95/month going into Denny's pockets at his paypal account of barely18lovinsexydenny6969696969@hotmail.com

NL ahoy!

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[bluffski]

for information on reverse implied odds please see THEORY OF POKER by David Sklansky. It has to do with calling bets when you dont know if your hand is the best hand

[bluffski]

reverse implied odds is the ratio between the amount in the pot (what you win if your opponent does not make their hand) versus what it will cost you to play until the end of the hand. One of the major factors behind considering implied odds is how hidden your hand is (how uncertain your opponent is of your hand); another is the size of future bets. For the latter reason, implied odds become more important in no-limit and pot-limit games than in fixed-limit games. For reverse implied odds, consider that you have a strong hand but little chance of improving and your opponent has a chance of improving to a hand stronger than yours, or possibly already has a hand stronger than yours (they have been betting and you are not sure if they are bluffing) - essentially a situation where you are not certain that you have the best hand. Say it is the turn and there is $12 in the pot and it is $4 to call (pot odds 3-to-1). If your opponent has a weak hand or misses their card they may stop betting in which case you would only win $12 (it costs $4 to find out you are winning). Otherwise, you have committed to playing to the end of the hand in which case it would cost you $8 to find out you are losing (pot odds 3-to-2). There are many variations to this scenario. The essential idea is that reverse implied odds should be considered when you are not certain you have the best hand; it will cost more in future betting rounds to discover this.

[cwsiggy]

good definition bugman

[surfinillini]

what's with Mo these days...is he runnin bad or just playing bad?

[cwsiggy]

both

[7n7]

Hey swig,

Got an answer back from Barry G. (via Shirley) about what he would do in the hand example from that book I posted.

See below for the answer and reference thread:

> I usually raise in this situation to define my hand. Often the chips
> stacks are such that I get all-in or get a caller all-in. When the
chips
> stacks are deep, you have to consider who calls or raises you.
Against
> some players, I am happy to get my chips in. Against others, a call
or
> raise behind me leaves me with a sick feeling.
>
> Barry

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showth...=11#Post3864713

[whalekock]

Is the term "reversed implied odds" the new "stop bet"

[JihadOnTheRiver]

Hey Kev, I'm just curious about your relationship with the Bike. Are you one of the broadcasters? Or do you just have a particular interest in it?