Another 500 hands, another 90 BB loss

elbuddha · #1 11-29-2004, 12:39 AM

PokerStars 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 4 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (3.40 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, BB calls, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, BB calls.

River: (9.20 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 12.20 BB

Results in white below: 
BB has Qd Jh (two pair, queens and jacks).
Hero has Ah Tc (one pair, aces).
MP2 has As 5c (one pair, aces).
Outcome: BB wins 12.20 BB. 

Sample size be damned. Flame me for making a whine post. I don't care anymore.

At Poker Stars 0.25/0.50 I've dropped at a rate of 10BB per hundred hands for 3000 hands. I dropped 80BB in 400 hands today alone.

My biggest win today was 4 BB. My biggest loss was 8 BB.

Apparently I can't beat "bad" players. And I'm starting to feel like I can't take it anymore.

How do I beat players who fold every time I show aggression. Except when they call me down with their flopped two pair over and over and over. Or their rivered A. How do I beat players whose flush draws come in 3 in 3 instead of 1 in 3?

How do I make money when only 3 or 4 players ever see the flop?

I protect my hand. I bet for value, I raise for value. But every good hand I have either gets folded to me when I show any aggression, or I'm beat.

So I win small pots, because everyone folds to me.

But I lose big pots, lots of them. Usually because of slow played monsters and draws, or from pumping flush draws that I haven't caught in 2000 hands (no exaggeration).

Winning small pots doesn't make up for losing big ones. Not at all. This is hell.

Entity · #2 11-29-2004, 12:43 AM

In a 9-handed game, I'd fold this preflop. The rest of the hand is fine.

Losses happen. In 250+ hands today I'm down about 20BB. Just part of the game.

Rob

SeanSkill · #3 11-29-2004, 01:02 AM

ATo is not that strong a hand to start with in a multiway pot, you have got a lot of ways to be dominated. you were not in this particular case but ATo is a hand that makes 2nd best hand a lot, you need to be careful with it. I would have limped in with it, but I probably would have folded it to any real aggresion. With this particular hand you are really hoping for a ten on the flop.

DeathDonkey · #4 11-29-2004, 04:44 PM

You guys are crazy. I raise ATo in EP at loose passive tables and get coldcalled by A5o, KTo, JTo, etc. routinely. You would raise AJo wouldn't you? A9o I fold. Funny where I draw the line I guess.

-DeathDonkey

GrunchCan · #5 11-29-2004, 01:03 AM

Welcome to the forums.

Apparently I can't beat "bad" players.
If you are presuming that your opponent played badly, here's a news flash. The only mistake your opponent made in this hand was not going for the easy checkraise to pick you off on the turn.

Do not simply presume that just becvasue you are involved in a hand that means you are the best player in the hand. That's a sure road to disaster.

Your tone and the fact that you posted this hand imply that you feel this was a bad beat. That's wrong. It was just a beat. Nothing bad about it. Thats poker. Handle it or pick another hobby.

How do I make money when only 3 or 4 players ever see the flop?

By playing good poker.

You played this hand fine. I think the PF limp is OK, but it's close to a fold.

Post more hands.

elbuddha · #6 11-29-2004, 01:15 AM

In my defense...

I go strictly by the SSH charts for tight games (because I can't ever find any loose ones). I know they are merely guidelines, but I don't have enough experience to be confident deviating from them yet. The chart says limp in EP with ATo, so I limped in EP with ATo. As it is my VPIP for the last 5000 hands is ~12%.

I don't feel like I'm the best player at the table. Ever. I feel like I'm bumbling my way almost every hand, but I'm trying desperately not to fall into weak-tight play.

I don't feel like this hand was a bad beat. I would've folded on the turn to a raise or check raise from either player. A bad beat would have been the guy who limp re-raised me preflop when I had AA (I capped), I flopped a set (and capped the flop), but lost when he showed 55 for a runner-runner straight.

I'll post more hands soon.

blackaces13 · #7 11-29-2004, 01:18 AM

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The chart says limp in EP with ATo

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I just looked at it and no, it doesn't. The loose games one does, the tight games one does not. BTW, im not even sure I've ever seen an online game at any limit that would qualify as a "loose" game by SSH standards.

GrunchCan · #8 11-29-2004, 01:25 AM

im not even sure I've ever seen an online game at any limit that would qualify as a "loose" game by SSH standards

Did you mean to say "tight"?

Entity · #9 11-29-2004, 01:26 AM

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im not even sure I've ever seen an online game at any limit that would qualify as a "loose" game by SSH standards

Did you mean to say "tight"?

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No, he meant "loose." 6-10 for the flop is the exception at Party, unlike live play, where seeing 6-way pots capped preflop isn't uncommon.

Rob

blackaces13 · #10 11-29-2004, 01:29 AM

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im not even sure I've ever seen an online game at any limit that would qualify as a "loose" game by SSH standards

Did you mean to say "tight"?

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Its not what I mean, its what SSH means. They say tight is 3-5 players to the flop on avg. and that loose is 6-8. 6-8 on avg. is pushing it even for a great .5/1 table on Party. Using the SSH definition, I meant what I said.