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Old 11-01-2005, 11:52 PM
12AX7 12AX7 is offline
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Default I Quit My Day Job, contradictory?

Basically the story says it's tough, but also says, "you can easily make 50K a year multi-tabling 3/6".

Geezus, which is it, an easy 50K a year, or it's tough?

I don't know 'bout the rest of you all, but if I could make 50K a year from my PC that would make a prolonged search for better work, or even going back to school to recareer a lot easier. At 50K a year I wouldn't be living ostentatiously, but I could give corp. USA the bird.

Bottom line, you can't have it two ways.

Either it's tough, including 3/6 multi-tabling, or it isn't.

This sort of double speak, I think, misleads a lot of people.
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Old 11-02-2005, 12:46 AM
James Boston James Boston is offline
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Default Re: I Quit My Day Job, contradictory?

I can't speak for the author, but how about this, "it's a tough way to make 50K a year." Garbage men can "easily" pull down more than that in a big city, but it's tough work.
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Old 11-02-2005, 04:27 AM
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Default Re: I Quit My Day Job, contradictory?

I have many similar thoughts as the author. As many of you know, the "Cook" in my title isn't there for show. That is my chosen profession, that is what I enjoy doing. Of course, I don't cook anymore. $10 an hour cooking or $XXX an hour playing poker. Not a choice I was proud of, but I've rationalized that doing this now is the "responsibile" thing, so that in the future, I can "irresponsibly" waste my prime earning years behind the line, flipping burgers and tossing pies.

I too often have people tell me how awesome they think my new job is. And it is nice, I got to play in the WSOP, go to Aruba, and have a couple other WPT destinations in mind. I've read more books (not poker books - ugh!) in the past five months than.... that guy in the twilight Zone (Books! Books! Precious Books! And now I have all the time in the world to read my Books! <steps on reading glasses, cue "catastrophe" music&gt But this life kinda sucks. I was a lean mean cooking machine (call me the George Forman Grille) five months ago - I'm starting to notice a little flab!

I guess this is just a sympathy post. "oh woe is me, I make lots of money playing poker. This sucks!!" It is nice to hear someone else thinking and feeling the same things as me.

Thanks,
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Old 11-03-2005, 09:40 PM
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Default Re: I Quit My Day Job, contradictory?

So how did you get that good at poker?

Is this all tournament income, or ring games, some combination of the two?

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$10 an hour cooking or $XXX an hour playing poker.

I've read more books (not poker books - ugh!) in the past five months than.... that guy in the twilight Zone (Books! Books! Precious Books! And now I have all the time in the world to read my Books! <steps on reading glasses, cue "catastrophe" music&gt

CSC

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Old 11-04-2005, 04:11 PM
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Limit ring games, man. That is where the money is. I don't know what to tell you. I don't think it is that hard to win at limit. Tight aggressive play. Limp with limping hands when the table encourages it. Listen to your opponents when they are trying to tell you what their cards are. Fold on the turn, not on the river. Hell, you know how to play, probably. It is about discipline more than anything.
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Old 11-06-2005, 06:23 AM
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Hi CardSharpCook,
Well, I'd say I know some of the basics anyway. And discipline isn't too much of a problem for me, assuming I know what I should be doing.

I'd say where I get clobbered is not starting hand selection and other beginner discipline problems. It's post flop.

I think I'm just not to good at knowing when to get out, and when to push hard, post flop.

I downloaded the Poker Tracker trial copy. Seems to bear this out. It autorates me as Tight Aggressive/Passive.

So obviously I have no problem following a starting hand chart religiously (matter of fact I keep one on screen the whole time) or using the principles in Ed's book regarding those hands instead. That's all a pretty much a matter of straight math and relatively clearcut.

Trust me. When I'm sure what the next thing to do is (consider for example, pilot training and emergency procedures, checklists etc.) I can apply a militant degree of discipline.

However, there is the incomplete info. problem in this game.

And I suspect one of two things is at work here.

1) There are post flop concepts or rules as mathematical and as rigorous as pre-flop, and I just don't know them... (well we know some things are, like pot odds vrs. drawing odds etc.)

or

2) There's a certain amount of player reading that is art, and I may be one of those player reading impaired folks that may never get it. LOL!

In any event, we all know it's a game of situational analysis, but there are many, many situations and players to read.

So I'm always amazed when someone says, "I quit my job because I was making more at poker than my job after just a year...."

But, since multi-tabling seems to be the theory du jour, I have to believe there's some straight forward playing strategy that is profitable in today's online games, as I find it hard to believe anyone is adjusting to 4 to 8 tables worth of players on a player by player basis. If they are, well then they truly are superior minds compared to me, that's for sure.
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Old 11-02-2005, 01:54 PM
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Default Re: I Quit My Day Job, contradictory?

How is this-Making money playing 3/6=easy. To continuously make money playing poker without going broke=hard.
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Old 11-03-2005, 09:37 PM
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Hi Miami32,
Well, yes. That's my impression. I agree. There's always talk of it being difficult, then that little zinger about making $xxK a year being no problem.

Lifetime I'd say I'm about $3,000 under water to poker, and I've read, Super System, TOP, SSHE, WLLHE, GSIH, etc.

I have yet to see a sustained upswing in my bankroll. So clearly I *am* -EV. But the books lead me to believe I shouldn't be.

The latest experiment has been the "GSIH Small Stack NL" strategy. Apparently I'm still a fish. LOL!

Anyway, putting in terminal time is easy for me. I spent a 24 hour solid period this week doing the GSIH strategy at various limits. Came up -$90.

However, it's the consistent winning that seems hard.

To be honest. If I could make it work, I'd never go back to Corp. USA ever. But it does have to work. LOL!

Anyway, with all the folks claiming to be earning a living at it, I can't figure what I'm doing wrong.

I'm beginning to wonder if the mining programs are mandatory. (Poker Tracker, PartyMine, whichever, whatever.)

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How is this-Making money playing 3/6=easy. To continuously make money playing poker without going broke=hard.

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Old 11-04-2005, 03:35 PM
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I'm beginning to wonder if the mining programs are mandatory. (Poker Tracker, PartyMine, whichever, whatever.)


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No... they are not...
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Old 11-04-2005, 07:25 AM
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How is this-Making money playing 3/6=easy. To continuously make money playing poker without going broke=hard.

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+ev player with big enough bankroll makes going broke almost impossible.

chez
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