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Call, call, call... Can this be right?
Hi all, I hope to get some feedback on this hand. I have been reading the forum for some time, but just decided to participate. As I figure you're not looking for a bio here, I'll get to the point now.
I figured UTG+1 had a fairly wide range of raising hands, but had too little info to go by to judge his capping standards. I'd think AA-TT, AKo, AKs-AQs but that's just a guess. Paradise Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (9.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls. He caps pf & leads flop. ok maybe I should raise him here to find out, but I felt he was tricky enough that I couldn't gain reliable info by raising. I wan't him to bluff me all the way if I'm ahead. Turn: (5.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (7.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 9.75 BB |
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Re: Call, call, call... Can this be right?
Seems like a straightforward application of WA/WB. I like it.
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Re: Call, call, call... Can this be right?
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Seems like a straightforward application of WA/WB. I like it. [/ QUOTE ] What is this WA/WB that you speak of? I've seen it used in a couple threads but still haven't figured out what style it is representing. |
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Re: Call, call, call... Can this be right?
WA/WB stands for Way Ahead or Way Behind
It seems to refer to when both you or your opponent have few outs to improve your hand in a heads up situation, and you dont know who is currently ahead. The standard line is to check/call to showdown so that you lose the least when you are behind and win the most when you are ahead. Here is a link to a good thread which discusses WA/WB thoroughly: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...=1#Post2206499 |
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Re: Call, call, call... Can this be right?
Great, thanks!
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Re: Call, call, call... Can this be right?
This is fine.
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Re: Call, call, call... Can this be right?
I think your line in this hand is fine. You're either way ahead or way behind, there's good reason to worry about being way behind, and, if you raise the flop or turn, Villain will probably slow down with hands you're beating anyway.
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Re: Call, call, call... Can this be right?
Would a raise on the flop be considered incorrect? If so, why?
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Re: Call, call, call... Can this be right?
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Would a raise on the flop be considered incorrect? If so, why? [/ QUOTE ] Raising the flop is bad, because one of two things will happen: Case 1: You currently have villain beat. In this case, he is likely drawing to very few outs (think of a hand like 99, for example), and he will either fold immediately or fold to your turn bet if you raise the flop. In this case, you've failed to extract the maximum from your opponent when you are way ahead. Case 2: He currently has you beaten (think QJ). In this case, you are the one drawing to very few outs, and villain knows it. If you raise the flop, you will get 3-bet and lead into on the turn and river. In this case, your flop raise is just spewing when you are way behind. In these sorts of cases, the standard line is either to just call all the way down as long as villain keeps leading, with the possibility of raising the river if the board is to your liking. This gets the maximum when you're ahead while losing the least when you're behind. |
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Re: Call, call, call... Can this be right?
Thanx. Your argument will definately change the way I play a hand like that.
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