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#2
02-08-2004, 09:40 PM
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Re: AK out of position v. best player 10-10-20NL
will your opponent ever open limp (it's 40 to go, right?), or is that pretty much his standard open? also, is the big blind doing the two card shuffle, or counting his chips?
if it's likely to be heads up, I vote for calling and checkraising the flop. I think the important factors to consider are the level of respect VTP has for you, and how often he'll try to steamroll you here. --turnipmonster 
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#3
02-09-2004, 04:15 AM
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Re: AK out of position v. best player 10-10-20NL
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will your opponent ever open limp (it's 40 to go, right?), or is that pretty much his standard open? [/ QUOTE ] He'll do all sorts of stuff, but that is pretty standard. I think he's slightly more likely to either open for more or limp w/ KK or AA. [ QUOTE ] also, is the big blind doing the two card shuffle, or counting his chips? [/ QUOTE ] I didn't think BB was going to play. [ QUOTE ] I think the important factors to consider are the level of respect VTP has for you, and how often he'll try to steamroll you here. [/ QUOTE ] I've played a lot of limit and 5-5 w/ this opponent. He knows he's a lot better than me, but he also knows I'm a lot better than most of the others at the table. He'll definitely try and steamroll me in a lot of spots because he knows I'd rather tangle with others. But while he's very happy to play a big pot against me (especially w/ position), he'd rather play it against one of the others there.
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#4
02-08-2004, 09:54 PM
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Re: AK out of position v. best player 10-10-20NL
Since all we know is he's a "very tough pro", I say reraise. If you can't play AK against this guy, it seems that you've pretty much decided to roll over and play dead in any pot he opens. You're out of position but I don't think that's reason enough to dump AK here unless you think he can straight outplay you no matter what falls.
Of course, I don't play against any tough pros, so what do I know? SpaceAce
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#5
02-09-2004, 04:16 AM
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Re: AK out of position v. best player 10-10-20NL
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If you can't play AK against this guy, it seems that you've pretty much decided to roll over and play dead in any pot he opens. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not super-excited about AKo out of position v. anyone in this game.
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#6
02-09-2004, 04:38 AM
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Re: AK out of position v. best player 10-10-20NL
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[ QUOTE ] If you can't play AK against this guy, it seems that you've pretty much decided to roll over and play dead in any pot he opens. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not super-excited about AKo out of position v. anyone in this game. [/ QUOTE ] That puts a whole new light on this guy being the toughest at the table. SpaceAce
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#7
02-09-2004, 04:44 AM
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Re: AK out of position v. best player 10-10-20NL
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you can't play AK against this guy, it seems that you've pretty much decided to roll over and play dead in any pot he opens. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not super-excited about AKo out of position v. anyone in this game. [/ QUOTE ] That puts a whole new light on this guy being the toughest at the table. [/ QUOTE ] Let me rephrase/clarify that. This guy was the only really tough player in the game at this point. But there were lots of aggressive players in the game as well as deep-stacked players who can play w/ just about any two. I'm not super-excited about playing AKo out of position against anyone in a no-limit game, but I'm more than happy to tangle w/ anyone else in this game.
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#8
02-09-2004, 04:53 AM
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Re: AK out of position v. best player 10-10-20NL
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you can't play AK against this guy, it seems that you've pretty much decided to roll over and play dead in any pot he opens. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not super-excited about AKo out of position v. anyone in this game. [/ QUOTE ] That puts a whole new light on this guy being the toughest at the table. [/ QUOTE ] Let me rephrase/clarify that. This guy was the only really tough player in the game at this point. But there were lots of aggressive players in the game as well as deep-stacked players who can play w/ just about any two. I'm not super-excited about playing AKo out of position against anyone in a no-limit game, but I'm more than happy to tangle w/ anyone else in this game. [/ QUOTE ] Gotcha. I thought we might have had a misunderstanding when I saw you refer to the game's incredible weakness in another post. I'm not suggesting that AKo is invincible but I can't imagine being too sad about peeking at my cards in the small blind and seeing it there. I find it interesting that you actually did what I thought you should have although most people seem to think it was not the way to go. SpaceAce
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#9
02-08-2004, 10:36 PM
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Re: AK out of position v. best player 10-10-20NL
Honestly, I think raising is the worst option here. I don't want to put in 250-300 out of position with only AK and then feel compelled to bluff at a lot of boards when I miss against a tough player.
I would probably call and checkraise if an A or K hits. But I don't agree with the people that say folding here is way too weak. AKo isn't a great NL hand with fairly deep stacks and the importance of position is magnified against a tough player. There's no shame in folding here. NL is all about picking your spots, and there's nothing wrong with resolving not to mess with the big dogs in marginal situations.
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