KQs in late position - Please comment on all streets

#1 12-06-2005, 09:55 PM

Hi All, here's another fun hand. Please comment on all streets.

Mid game in MTT, Villian has shown that he is capable of limping with all kinds of hands from monsters to connectors, and Ace Rag. No real betting pattern. My image at the table has been tight, hands shown down: AA, AA, JJ, QQ, AK

Preflop:
Was the limp bad? Should I have folded or raised instead?

Flop:
Should I have raised, called, folded?

River:
Do I make a crying call here or fold?

Thanks again for all of your thoughtful replies!

T

$11 MTT

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP2 (t3910)
MP3 (t1455)
Hero (t3080)
Button (t1783)
SB (t980)
BB (t4740)
UTG (t2875)
UTG+1 (t2755)
MP1 (t3664)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP2 calls t100, 1 fold, Hero calls t100, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t400) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP2 bets t200, Hero raises to t500, SB folds, BB folds, MP2 calls t300.

Turn: (t1400) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets t300, Hero calls t300.

River: (t2000) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP2 bets t900, Hero ...

#2 12-07-2005, 07:41 AM

Bump - Any thoughts?

#3 12-07-2005, 09:27 AM

preflop - don't mind limping, can argue for raising (i probably limp more than i should). Can't see folding this hand in CO.
flop - not bad the way you played it
turn - hate the J, so many players limp KJ and the board now has 3 diamonds, I proceed with caution and call
river - call, so many times you'll see a weak K, pocket pair (that limped preflop) such as Q's or T's. most likely MP2 is either WA and hoped you would come over the top on the turn also or WB and wants you to believe he already has his hand or that the 5 helped him (i.e. A5 or such,that scenario only likely for a complete DONK)

all in all you played this similar to the way i would have played it.

Exitonly · #4 12-07-2005, 09:29 AM

i be tmore on the flop, and probably call small turn bets.

but i'd consider raising the turn with the intention of checking behind on the river.

#5 12-07-2005, 09:34 AM

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i be tmore on the flop, and probably call small turn bets.

but i'd consider raising the turn with the intention of checking behind on the river.

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I've never even considered that line. Thanks.

#6 12-07-2005, 10:35 AM

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i be tmore on the flop, and probably call small turn bets.

but i'd consider raising the turn with the intention of checking behind on the river.

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I've never even considered that line. Thanks.

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Wait a minute, why would we make that play? If we raise the turn, we get in huge trouble if he has the flush and fold out some hands that we have wrecked and that would've kept giving us money. The only positive is that we charge some flush draws, but factor in the fact that many of these are betting the river UI, and I think this is an easy call/call.

#7 12-07-2005, 11:19 AM

Thanks for all of the different views on this. I ended up folding to the bet on the river because I thought it was a value bet. I think I should have raised more on the flop, and also bet out preflop.

Thanks!
PN

#8 12-07-2005, 11:55 AM

I would have limped pre-flop with the intention of raising any K or Q if there's no Ace or betting if checked to me.

If you raise pre-flop, you have to raise to 400. If Blinds and Vilain fold, you get +300 (maybe 50% of the time), if one of the blinds or Vilain call, the pot will be almost 1000. You will have to do a CB of 400 or 500 with KQ, which I don't really like.

I'm not sure Raising is better... Someone has a good raison for raising.

I know in this situation, the flop would have been perfect, but in genereal...

DDBeast · #9 12-07-2005, 12:49 PM

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i be tmore on the flop, and probably call small turn bets.

but i'd consider raising the turn with the intention of checking behind on the river.

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I've never even considered that line. Thanks.

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Wait a minute, why would we make that play? If we raise the turn, we get in huge trouble if he has the flush and fold out some hands that we have wrecked and that would've kept giving us money. The only positive is that we charge some flush draws, but factor in the fact that many of these are betting the river UI, and I think this is an easy call/call.

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If he comes over the top it's an easy fold. This way you can make a small raise on the turn, charging him if he's still on a draw, instead of paying another 900 on the river. If he bets the river after your turn raise it's an easy fold.

#10 12-07-2005, 01:23 PM

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i be tmore on the flop, and probably call small turn bets.

but i'd consider raising the turn with the intention of checking behind on the river.

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I've never even considered that line. Thanks.

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Wait a minute, why would we make that play? If we raise the turn, we get in huge trouble if he has the flush and fold out some hands that we have wrecked and that would've kept giving us money. The only positive is that we charge some flush draws, but factor in the fact that many of these are betting the river UI, and I think this is an easy call/call.

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If he comes over the top it's an easy fold. This way you can make a small raise on the turn, charging him if he's still on a draw, instead of paying another 900 on the river. If he bets the river after your turn raise it's an easy fold.

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Right, I'm dumb. We're betting a non-diamond river if checked to, right?