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06-02-2005, 07:43 PM
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interesting jury duty experience
The other post on jury duty got me thinking about my one jury experience, which I found pretty interesting. This happened a couple of years ago, but I think I have the details right.
local district court, criminal trial. The guy is charged with two counts. 1. Attempted Robbery the police are observing this guy for a while, and they watch him park his car, walk behind a Denny's type restaurant, and croutch in some tall grass behind the place, where he could observe the back exit where employees would go to take out the garbage. It's dark, right around closing time. After about ten minutes, he gets up, goes back to his car, and drives off. The police who have been watching him pull him over, and find a stocking on his head, some duct tape, and a toy pistol. He is charged with attempted robbery against the manager of the restaurant. What say ye, OOT, guilty or innocent? 2. Theft A half hour before the incident I described above, the same guy walked into a supermarket, where the store security camera catches him reaching over the customer service counter and taking a carton of cigarettes. We are given images from the camera showing this, and it's pretty clear. This store sells the same brand duct tape and stockings that he was caught with in his car a bit later. He is charged with stealing the duct tape and stockings, but not the cigarettes! What say ye, OOT, guilty or innocent? 
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06-02-2005, 07:56 PM
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Re: interesting jury duty experience
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If this is all the information and charges, then it's clearly not guilty (not innocent though). [/ QUOTE ] I'm not holding any of the details back, but I will mention that on the second charge, the judge specifically told us that according to the (Maryland) law, circumstantial evidence is to be given just as much weight as non-circumstantial evidence.
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06-02-2005, 08:27 PM
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Re: interesting jury duty experience
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[ QUOTE ] If this is all the information and charges, then it's clearly not guilty (not innocent though). [/ QUOTE ] I'm not holding any of the details back, but I will mention that on the second charge, the judge specifically told us that according to the (Maryland) law, circumstantial evidence is to be given just as much weight as non-circumstantial evidence. [/ QUOTE ] i say: screw maryland law. give the evidence the weight you feel it deserves. i've never understood this view of jury duty. your job is administer justice not punish according to guidelines decided by maryland law someone who may or may not have violated maryland law.
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06-02-2005, 09:25 PM
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Re: interesting jury duty experience
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If this is all the information and charges, then it's clearly not guilty (not innocent though). [/ QUOTE ] I'm not holding any of the details back, but I will mention that on the second charge, the judge specifically told us that according to the (Maryland) law, circumstantial evidence is to be given just as much weight as non-circumstantial evidence. [/ QUOTE ] i say: screw maryland law. give the evidence the weight you feel it deserves. i've never understood this view of jury duty. your job is administer justice not punish according to guidelines decided by maryland law someone who may or may not have violated maryland law. [/ QUOTE ] hmmm...I would say that you just perfectly described exactly what your job is to do on jury duty.
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06-03-2005, 01:21 AM
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Re: interesting jury duty experience
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...the judge specifically told us that according to the (Maryland) law, circumstantial evidence is to be given just as much weight as non-circumstantial evidence. [/ QUOTE ] Did the judge give any instructions in regards to the first count? Somebody mentioned that taking significant steps such as donning a mask and waiting in the weeds is sufficient. Did the judge, or either lawyer, address this? Because I couldn't imagine reaching a verdict on that one without either a law degree, or having the law explained to us by the judge or prosecutor.
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06-03-2005, 08:17 AM
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Re: interesting jury duty experience
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[ QUOTE ] ...the judge specifically told us that according to the (Maryland) law, circumstantial evidence is to be given just as much weight as non-circumstantial evidence. [/ QUOTE ] Did the judge give any instructions in regards to the first count? Somebody mentioned that taking significant steps such as donning a mask and waiting in the weeds is sufficient. Did the judge, or either lawyer, address this? Because I couldn't imagine reaching a verdict on that one without either a law degree, or having the law explained to us by the judge or prosecutor. [/ QUOTE ] He explained the "substantial step" idea that gvibes and PhatTBoll are debating here. Our debate was over whether the guy's actions met that standard, and also whether even if he was "attempting" something, whether the state proved it was robbery as opposed to something else.
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#8
06-03-2005, 08:28 AM
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Re: interesting jury duty experience
Excatly, it is possible he thought about attempting robbery and then chickened out before he actually attempted it. Also, if they have cameras where is the footage of him stealing the duct tape? I stole some baseball cards from WalMart when I was 13, that doesn't mean I stole my groceries last time I shopped there.
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#9
06-02-2005, 08:09 PM
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Re: interesting jury duty experience
The first one: we just covered this in my bar review class yesterday, and I would say that he is clearly guilty, as he had taken a "substantial" step towards completion of the crime.
The second one: if that's all you had, I'd have a hard time finding him guilty. If you did, he must have had a really crappy lawyer.
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#10
06-03-2005, 12:35 AM
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Re: interesting jury duty experience
here are the results for anyone who is interested.
On the first count, attempted robbery, we hung 6-6. Several of us felt pretty strongly that you ought to be given a chance to change your mind about committing a crime, which is what this guy did for whatever reason. Another interesting idea that was floated in the jury room was that the evidence pointed to a variety of potential crimes: rape, kidnapping, murder, for example, and that the state didn't prove attempted robbery as being any more likely than any of these other crimes. On the second count, theft of two items on the basis of having been caught stealing a third (and having the two in his possession), we also hung, but this time it was 10-2 in favor of conviction. After the trial the judge let us ask him some questions, and he seemed as confused as we were as to why the prosecution didn't try the guy on the theft of the cigarettes, which we obviously would have convicted him of without a second thought.
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