What do you limp?

There's been a bit of discussion recently about the benefits of limping small and mid pocket pairs with some people (whose advice I try to listen to) saying that it's a bad idea to limp these. Others have said that it's OK to limp them from late position after there are already limpers in the pot. These discussions have piqued my interest because I often wonder whether it is ever right to limp.

I'm wondering what people are open limping with. From early position? From middle position? From late position? Assume a full (or nearly full) table in early levels. If the chip structure makes a difference, I'm more interested in hearing about what people are doing at PS where everyone starts with 1500 in chips.

So, what do you limp with?

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So, what do you limp with?

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EP I'm always in raise/fold mode, I don't have any limping hands on a full table

MP I limp in with mid pp if there are already limpers, if not I raise

LP I'll limp in with mids and small if already limpers, if not then raise both

I don't play suited connectors all that often unless my implied odds are really big (like family pots or lots of limpers)

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So, what do you limp with?

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EP I'm always in raise/fold mode, I don't have any limping hands on a full table

MP I limp in with mid pp if there are already limpers, if not I raise

LP I'll limp in with mids and small if already limpers, if not then raise both

I don't play suited connectors all that often unless my implied odds are really big (like family pots or lots of limpers)

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So, you don't ever limp if there aren't already limpers in the pot?

[ZeroPointMachine]

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So, what do you limp with?

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EP I'm always in raise/fold mode, I don't have any limping hands on a full table

MP I limp in with mid pp if there are already limpers, if not I raise

LP I'll limp in with mids and small if already limpers, if not then raise both

I don't play suited connectors all that often unless my implied odds are really big (like family pots or lots of limpers)

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So, you don't ever limp if there aren't already limpers in the pot?

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In STTs I almost never open limp into a pot. The only exception would be in the first hand or two in EP with marginal cards. Then I might limp just to see how the table reacts. I just feel that the FE and deception value gained are worth the extra chips.

[zipppy]

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So, what do you limp with?

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EP I'm always in raise/fold mode, I don't have any limping hands on a full table


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so from UTG, in the first hand, are you raising or folding JJ? 1010? 99? I'm curious because the set value of these hands is fantastic, but rarely will you play out one of these hands early in an STT where they will take down a pot unimproved.

I like to limp with mid-pairs up to JJ in EP early in the game. Some of this also has to do with managing pot size, which I'm not sure if anyone has addressed. Sometimes good hands are fine to limp with, instead of raising, from early-mid position since a large raise later won't mean as much if a player with no perception of pot odds "feels" like they've committed a lot of chips to the pot already (calling a preflop raise, etc).

just some thoughts...

>>>ZIPPPY

[Jbrochu]

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so from UTG, in the first hand, are you raising or folding JJ? 1010? 99? I'm curious because the set value of these hands is fantastic, but rarely will you play out one of these hands early in an STT where they will take down a pot unimproved.


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I know this question was addressed to Marwan, but I thought I would offer my 2-cents as well since I don't often open limp early in STTs. It's important to first note that I play at Stars with the deeper starting stacks and might well play differently at Party.

From UTG in the early levels I generally open raise with any pocket pair that I would call a raise with had I open limped instead. In general, this means 77 and up. I'll usually fold 66 and lower unless the table has shown a willingness to let a bunch of limpers see a cheap flop.

Once in a great while, if it's too early for the table to have a read on me, I'll open limp AA from UTG.

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From UTG in the early levels I generally open raise with any pocket pair that I would call a raise with had I open limped instead. In general, this means 77 and up. I'll usually fold 66 and lower unless the table has shown a willingness to let a bunch of limpers see a cheap flop.

Once in a great while, if it's too early for the table to have a read on me, I'll open limp AA from UTG.

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If you're going to open limp AA, don't you also need to open limp other holding? Otherwise, they'll always know you have AA when you open limp.

I understand that you clarified that you might do this only when thetable has no reads. But, I do find it curious that no one else has mentioned open limping AA; I see it a lot.

[pineapple888]

Uhh... it kind of depends. That's a very general question.

Regarding pairs, any small/medium pair if limp < 1/20 my effective stack size and I think it's reasonably likely nobody will raise behind me.

[pooh74]

Don't have time to go super in-depth, but at stars (turbos) because of the presence of usually 2-3 super lags at every table to start, I try to do some "low risk-high reward" type plays early. As usual it depends, but lets just say that PPs are the quickest and easiest way to stack one of these fellas and the reverse imlplied odds are obviously minute.

Calling a raise with them at Ls I-II can be good.

L3 I might open fold 66 UTG.

EP - limp with 4's - 8's, AJo, KQo, QJs, JTs, (ATs, A9s if above avg chip stack)
MP - KJo, A8s, A7s (middle SC's if above avg chip stack)
LP - KTs, QTs, (small SC's if above avg chip stack)

I'm sure i've missed a few and by no means do I use this exclusively, have folded these hands and raised with these hands. so much is read dependent, stack dependent, other players stack size dependent, # of players left and your table image up to this point.