is THIS when you overbet the pot??

[DarrenX]

$215 sng... No reads. Comments appreciated. Thoughts later.

***** Hand History for Game 2129187946 *****
15/30 TourneyTexasHTGameTable (NL) (Tournament 12663569) - Mon May 30 14:37:50 EDT 2005
Table Table 11249 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: ICanDoIt2 (725)
Seat 2: Lavendar9 (850)
Seat 3: danxxx1 (1350)
Seat 4: BunnieLee (985)
Seat 6: DarrenX (2150)
Seat 8: rodneyc (2035)
Seat 9: domedinger (990)
Seat 10: luna00 (915)
BunnieLee posts small blind (10)
DarrenX posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DarrenX [ 9d, 4s ]
rodneyc calls (15)
domedinger folds.
luna00 folds.
ICanDoIt2 folds.
Lavendar9 did not respond in time.
Lavendar9 folds.
danxxx1 folds.
BunnieLee folds.
DarrenX checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4h, Ts, 9s ]
DarrenX bets (90)
rodneyc raises (180) to 180
DarrenX calls (90)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 5h ]
DarrenX checks.
rodneyc bets (150)
DarrenX raises (1955) to 1955
DarrenX is all-In.

[Freudian]

I kind of like it. Only thing you really hate to see from him here is a set. Everything else is fine if he calls/folds.

Of course a bet of 600 will probably have the same effect with the diffence that you can fold to a push (if you get those set-vibes).

[Luminous Mist]

You must have *some* read on rodney, yes? Did his extra 1000 chips materialize into his stack without playing a hand??

Also, I'm not sure how overbetting here is more profitable than raising smaller or calling. I assume you feel you're hand is best. So why not extract some more chips in this unique situation (personally, I don't have too many opportunities early on with a hand I *know* to be best hand by a lot)?

Most importantly, to know whether a push here is best or not...is what does your opponent have? It would seem he has a spade draw, a straight draw, or maybe even more likely, a top pair hand (AT,KT,QT,JT). Okay, now aren't you quite a bit a head of *any* of these hands?

Also, I can imagine myself playing a set exactly the way he's playing it vs. what I think (hope) is top pair, so I wouldn't rule that out completely.

Luminous

[DarrenX]

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You must have *some* read on rodney, yes? Did his extra 1000 chips materialize into his stack without playing a hand??

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Now that would be assuming I was paying attention, no? [img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] Unfortunately I missed it. It wasn't until later that I went back and saw he had raised to 75 with AA after someone minraised to 30 preflop, who reraised all in with 89s.

I was actually talking about both flop and turn overbets. On the flop, I overbet trying to make it look like I'm throwing my big stack around. Since the villian also had a big stack, he could take my bet as an effort to buy the pot. I just called when it came back to make it look like I was either bluffing and too embarassed to fold to a minraise, or I was on a flush draw. Check the turn to let him hang himself... I had him on a pair so I'd figure he'd bet to protect against the draw, which he did. I pushed because A) bottom two pair is a very vunerable hand and would mind the decent pot at this time and B) he may call me if he had limped in w/KK or AA and C) on the off-chance he was on a flush draw I made it unprofitable. I know checking the turn risks a free card, but with greater risks come greater rewards... [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

I've posted just a handful of out-of-the-box thinking hands so far, and so far I've basically been accused of overthinking. I figure one of these times I'll hit paydirt. Thanks for the comments. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[DarrenX]

He folded.

[lastchance]

You're not paying attention at the $215's? Man, you've got a lot of money to throw around, huh. Poker's easy, but it's not that easy.

No reason to lead out and reraise on the flop. There are a bunch of draws out there, Villain will have an easier time laying down on the turn or river with scare cards than on the flop.

I 2/3 pot it on the flop, and reraise a lot.

Overbetting doesn't signal a bluff. It signals I have no idea what I'm doing.

[DarrenX]

No, normally I DO pay attention, but I missed this one. Most of my other posted hands have reads on them. Trust me, $215 means something to me!!

[lastchance]

Aite. Still, without a read, I doubt your overbetting signals anything important. You'll get draws to fold, but, meh, it signals a decent hand that you aren't really comfortable with, which is a lot of hands on this flop.

[DarrenX]

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Overbetting doesn't signal a bluff. It signals I have no idea what I'm doing.

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That too. And it wouldn't be a bad thing to give the table that impression, no? [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

[lastchance]

True, but you don't want to be read for laggy big stack. You want to be read for LP fish.