UTG with AA in very loose 10/20

TaintedRogue · #1 10-13-2004, 08:03 PM

Okay, you've got the rockets and are first to act. Now, if you open/raise, you will get 5-7 callers (11 man game) 90% of the time. If you limp, you will get the same, with one of the early players raising. You cannot expect a re-raise if you open/raise, because there is no such thing as "isolating" unless they have really bad hands. I mean the SB will call 2 with 32 suited.
Do you open/raise, limp/call or limp/re-raise?

elysium · #2 10-13-2004, 11:13 PM

open raise

JasonP530 · #3 10-14-2004, 03:11 AM

raise, and start to build a big pot. Get ready to checkrasie the turn, or do some funky stuff to clear some people out of the big pot. Gotta do what you can to win it when the pot is big.

Lawrence Ng · #4 10-14-2004, 06:11 AM

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If you limp, you will get the same, with one of the early players raising.

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If I have AA UTG and am 90 percent sure there will be an open-raiser if I limp, but not a re-raiser if I raise, then I will limp-reraise 100 % of the time and I don't care how many callers there are. Capiche?

TaintedRogue · #5 10-14-2004, 10:13 AM

Capiche..........that's what I've been doing...alot of ups and downs in this game though..........

Roy Hobbs · #6 10-14-2004, 10:28 AM

But if you think that you will get the same number of callers with an open raise, the decision to limp shouldn't matter, right?

kelvin474 · #7 10-14-2004, 02:26 PM

except that limp/reraise gets 3 bets in when your equity is better than anyone elses.

pudley4 · #8 10-14-2004, 02:26 PM

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But if you think that you will get the same number of callers with an open raise, the decision to limp shouldn't matter, right?

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Sure it should - you should limp-reraise to get more money in. He said if he raises, no one will 3-bet. So he's got 6 opponents for 14sb. If he only limps, someone will raise and he can reraise; so he's got 6 opponents for 21sb.

TheHip41 · #9 10-14-2004, 11:52 PM

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Sure it should - you should limp-reraise to get more money in. He said if he raises, no one will 3-bet. So he's got 6 opponents for 14sb. If he only limps, someone will raise and he can reraise; so he's got 6 opponents for 21sb.

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Or you could get 8 opponents for 8 SB. I'd open raise

Lawrence Ng · #10 10-14-2004, 07:03 PM

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Capiche..........that's what I've been doing...alot of ups and downs in this game though..........

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Pocket AA or KK is the monster hand to have either in loose/tight/passive/aggressive/wild/weak/soft/crazy and whatever kind of game you can think of. They work well one on one of course. But they also work very well multi-way. You have the best starting hand and thus you to maximize value for it. So that is why pre-flop you always raise and re-raise no matter what. So if I know there's going to be a raiser up front, then I'll limp and re-pop it. It's great +EV.

Sure enough, multi-way the chances for your Aces to win go down, but usually if you do win, you'll be compsensated by a bigger pot or more BB won. This offsets the times you do lose. Again it's all about EV, and not how many times you win or lose.

Many players whine they never win with AA in multi-way which is downright a lie. I've taken some 25+ BB pots down with AA in EP with about 6 - 8 callers unimproved on the board. At the same time, expect to be outdrawn your fair share. It's the nature of loose games.