Review: Micropost Blind Defense: hands 59, 60, 85, 92

Doc7 · #1 08-08-2005, 03:20 PM

59
Preflop: Hero is BB with 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button raises, SB calls, Hero calls

60
Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, 3 folds, Button calls, Hero completes

85
Preflop: Hero is SB with 5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, MP2 raises, 1 fold, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls,

92
Preflop: Hero is BB with 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP1 raises, 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, SB calls, Hero calls

Hero is much more inclined than I am to not give up his blinds with offsuit connectors, or low suited gapped cards (52s, 75s)

In all of these hands, UTG or UTG+1 has already limped into the pot. Unless Hero had reads indicating that the opponents weren't positionally aware, isn't calling later raises with these offsuit and low gapped suited hands going to force a fit-or-fold, after already VPIPing?

Or am I too tight for throwing away offsuit 65 to raises when I am in the blinds?

baronzeus · #2 08-08-2005, 03:22 PM

The two 56o hands are close but probably calls, and the 25s hand is close but probably a call, but folding the 57s hand would be horrid and it's not close.

Doc7 · #3 08-08-2005, 03:23 PM

Why is it "horrid" and not just marginally bad to fold that?

baronzeus · #4 08-08-2005, 03:59 PM

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57s is a great hand. You are getting 7:1 four way-and you will flop a draw/good made hand more than 12.5% of the time. You are giving up too much if you fold good hands preflop just because someone raises.

#5 08-08-2005, 04:05 PM

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Why is it "horrid" and not just marginally bad to fold that?

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57s is a great hand. You are getting 7:1 four way-and you will flop a draw/good made hand more than 12.5% of the time. You are giving up too much if you fold good hands preflop just because someone raises.

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FYI, I was in the SB, not the BB in this hand.

baronzeus · #6 08-08-2005, 04:09 PM

Hmm you are essentially 5.7:1 here. I'd probably still call but that makes it closer. You essentially have a raiser and 2 callers so far, and you can count on BB calling, so that's 4 people total, and seeing a 5 way flop with 57s can't be bad.

#7 08-08-2005, 03:23 PM

Looking back, I think

59 - Clear call for me
60 - Probably should've folded
85 - Probably should've folded but closer IMO
92 - Very close

Eh, I felt like seeing more flops in this session [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

adsman · #8 08-08-2005, 03:44 PM

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Looking back, I think

59 - Clear call for me
60 - Probably should've folded
85 - Probably should've folded but closer IMO
92 - Very close

Eh, I felt like seeing more flops in this session [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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What do you think about hands 42 and 69 then? Hand 42, with K7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the sb and one preflop limper, this is close between a call and a raise. Hand 69, you have 88, once again in the sb and once again with one preflop limper, (the same limper as the previous example I might add), I think you can pop this for a raise as well. Unless you have specific reads on both MP1 and the BB.

#9 08-08-2005, 03:48 PM

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Looking back, I think

59 - Clear call for me
60 - Probably should've folded
85 - Probably should've folded but closer IMO
92 - Very close

Eh, I felt like seeing more flops in this session [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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What do you think about hands 42 and 69 then? Hand 42, with K7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the sb and one preflop limper, this is close between a call and a raise. Hand 69, you have 88, once again in the sb and once again with one preflop limper, (the same limper as the previous example I might add), I think you can pop this for a raise as well. Unless you have specific reads on both MP1 and the BB.

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42 is probably a complete before a raise. I probably should've completed here but I usually like at least one more limper before I complete with a Kxs hand (with x < 9). Hand 69 should've probably been a pre-flop raise but I'm a position-whore.

adsman · #10 08-08-2005, 04:47 PM

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Looking back, I think

59 - Clear call for me
60 - Probably should've folded
85 - Probably should've folded but closer IMO
92 - Very close

Eh, I felt like seeing more flops in this session [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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What do you think about hands 42 and 69 then? Hand 42, with K7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] in the sb and one preflop limper, this is close between a call and a raise. Hand 69, you have 88, once again in the sb and once again with one preflop limper, (the same limper as the previous example I might add), I think you can pop this for a raise as well. Unless you have specific reads on both MP1 and the BB.

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42 is probably a complete before a raise. I probably should've completed here but I usually like at least one more limper before I complete with a Kxs hand (with x < 9). Hand 69 should've probably been a pre-flop raise but I'm a position-whore.

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I'm not writing this to be pedantic but because the point of this exercise is to identify leaks, right? So saying that, based on what you said above concerning hand 42, why did you complete in the sb with hand 7?