10/20 JTo river value bet

jason_t · #1 11-30-2005, 11:33 PM

MP2 is 30/9/1.3 wtsd/w$@sd=32/60 after 500 hands and for the BB I don't have stats but he seemed bad.

Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (9 max, 9 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter

Preflop: I am CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 1 fold, I call, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 bets, I raise, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (6 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, I bet, BB calls, MP2 calls.

River: (9 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, I bet

hobbsmann · #2 11-30-2005, 11:43 PM

This looks standard to me. MP2 limps as many bad J's you beat as ones that beat you (J8/J7 vs QJ/KJ) and while it appears with his showdown stats he might not payoff 9s, your 'bad' read on BB makes this a value bet IMO.

DeathDonkey · #3 12-01-2005, 12:19 AM

I think this is a preflop fold (and I'm pretty damn loose) but I really like the rest.

-DeathDonkey

jason_t · #4 12-01-2005, 12:30 AM

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imo, preflop is not close.

CardSharpCook · #5 12-01-2005, 12:42 AM

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imo, preflop is not close.

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Jason, if the PF isn't close, you should reexamine your starting values. For me, it is a clear fold as well and not one I would give a second thought to.

I don't like betting this river, but that IS close. There are many hands that have been scared into submission by the flsuh board and while you do get a lot of calls from worse hands, I think you may be surprised by a 2P hand that never raised. Let's not forget that the str8 draw either just got there or just gave someone two pair. This is a close one, but I check this down. Give me KJ/AJ, I think I'll bet it.

QTip · #6 12-01-2005, 12:51 AM

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Jason, if the PF isn't close, you should reexamine your starting values. For me, it is a clear fold as well and not one I would give a second thought to.

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Would you please elaborate here?

I'm with JT on this one, especially if the players yet to act are not that aggressive PF. It seems like a mid-connector in position to some limpers is pretty nice. Wish I hadn't lost my old db, but I'm quite certain JTo was a winning hand for me in LP over my last couple hundred thousand...not that that means much.

DeathDonkey · #7 12-01-2005, 01:05 AM

I'd like it alot more on the button and with passive blinds. It just isn't much of a hand and in this game some of the players in front will be limping in with dominating hands instead of dominated hands. What did Abdul say about poker players not surviving on straight draws alone? Make it sooted and I raise though [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

-DeathDonkey

stigmata · #8 12-01-2005, 09:23 AM

I play JTo in LP, although it does depend who is in front/behind, and on table condition. It's been profitable for me so far...

I play it the same.

brettbrettr · #9 12-01-2005, 12:45 AM

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I think this is a preflop fold (and I'm pretty damn loose) but I really like the rest.

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imo, preflop is not close.

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I don't think its that close either, and I wouldn't play it.

Entity · #10 12-01-2005, 01:57 AM

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I think this is a preflop fold (and I'm pretty damn loose) but I really like the rest.

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Who the [censored] switched your brain with jason_t's?

Rob