An Ethical Quandry

[Exsubmariner]

Down down the dark path I go.
I am tracked in Poker Edge. Do I pay the $9.99 extortion fee every month to keep my name hidden from every one else who uses it? If I do, I might be tempted to use it myself. Do I subscribe or start a letter campaign to Potty to change their software such that hand histories are not publicly available to just anyone observing their tables? Do I take my business elsewhere or do I resign myself to playing a level that is so small it ins't tracked. Bigger stakes with lesser advantage or smaller stakes with greater advantage?
Looks like my viel is lifted I will never look at online poker the same again and I will now have to be forever vigilent against the 2+2 Borg Collective. Resistance is Futile.
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[teddyFBI]

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Down down the dark path I go.
I am tracked in Poker Edge. Do I pay the $9.99 extortion fee every month to keep my name hidden from every one else who uses it? If I do, I might be tempted to use it myself. Do I subscribe or start a letter campaign to Potty to change their software such that hand histories are not publicly available to just anyone observing their tables? Do I take my business elsewhere or do I resign myself to playing a level that is so small it ins't tracked. Bigger stakes with lesser advantage or smaller stakes with greater advantage?
Looks like my viel is lifted I will never look at online poker the same again and I will now have to be forever vigilent against the 2+2 Borg Collective. Resistance is Futile.
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Holy Christ -- I'm so sick of this PE shiite -- you donks act like it's the holy F'ing grail...so what if other players know a little bit about how you play; frankly, 97% of the retards on this forum wouldn't know what to properly do with that information anyway...and the other 3% aren't even going to want to sit at your table (if you're a winning player -- which I'd wager nine tenths of the morons worrying about PE aren't).

Yes, it's regrettable that sharks might now drain the fish coffers at a somewhat quicker pace, but acting like PE is somehow allowing your opponents to freakin' see your hole cards or get a similarly huge advantage over you is ludicrous.

EDIT: (no offense to you personally submariner -- just a little tired of every other post on here being PE-related...since when does this not qualify as spam anyway)

[mackthefork]

You are wrong, people who use this are 'killing the goose that laid the golden eggs'.

Mack

[Exsubmariner]

I understand what you are saying teddy, and no offense taken. In theory, you are correct. In practical application, however, the table selection features alone of pokeredge are significant. What takes me 4 or five tables of watching a couple of orbits to figure out could now be done by just looking at the stats. This gives the other players significant edge on me. Also, if I sit down with a tight aggressive player and on the first or second hand I play get a really nut hand. I get way aggressive. If the TAG didn't have data on me he might have a second best hand and call me down with it or try to raise the turn and bluff me off it, if he has data that I play aggressively and might try something like a checkraise on the turn or river with really strong hands, he's going to fold. That's - ev for me. I don't like the idea that someone who I have never seen before has that kind of predefined read on my play.
I am not spamming. I hope to bring frank discussion and awareness of what this is. I couldn't in good conscience promote it's use. Some of the tactics the creaters are using to market their product harken back to the mob and paying "protection money" every month to hide yourself from other users. This is definately well within the boundaries of a very grey area.
I'll concede that the vast majority of people who read these boards will never be able to figure out what to do with this data or how to employ it because they have a hard enough time beating the game of poker. I am not among them, thankfully. I am concerned, though, about the ones who can.
Things just got a whole lot easier for them.
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[axioma]

teddy, [censored] you.

i could go into more detail explaining how you are ignorant to the point of entirely missing the real situation at hand, but from the tone of your post its obvious youre just an obnoxious little prick, so a [censored] you will have to sufice.

[scott8]

At what level does this software lose value?
I play exclusively 30/60 and I wonder what advantage this software could possibly give my opponent?
There is so little consistency to my play that more stats should make little difference.

Can someone point out why I should be worried about this, or if I am correct that this is really only useful for the lower limits.

-SC

[Derek in NYC]

My guess is that at the higher limits, where there are fewer tables, you can get a lot of the benefits of PE through extensive datamining on your own. At lower limits, the size of the PE dB will exceed all PT dBs.

[Exsubmariner]

Stop plugging to sell this crap in my damned thread, Derek.
I move to have derek banned for Spam.
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[memphis57]

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There is so little consistency to my play that more stats should make little difference.

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Here's your answer - be like this guy and be less predictable. How do you think the big name pros keep winning when everybody is watching how they play?

In short, for all you guys concerned about PE and PT and GT etc. - Don't be a robot. Adjust your play to fit the situation. Vary your play to keep your opponents off guard. It's all a big game of spy-counter-spy, like the old Mad magazine cartoons. I love it, it keeps things interesting.

[Lestat]

<font color="red">from the tone of your post its obvious youre just an obnoxious little prick, </font>

But a very correct one.