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Another Question:pre-flop
Quick question, and a somewhat small occurence. 2-3 poeple end up[ calling an all in pre-flop, is it still worth calling with anyone of these hands? AA, KK, QQ, JJ, AKs, AQs? Cause i looked at two dimes as far as suited connectors pre-flop wersus all sorts of good, average pre-flop hands, and they supposedly have the higher %, any advice as far as playing shortstacked with any one of these previous stated hands? I'm basing this on poor % of winning, and my fear is that with that many people, your odds with some of these stellar hands plummets. Thanx
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Re: Another Question:pre-flop
you should call with aces if every player at the table goes all-in preflop. i think you're probably seeing that a win rate of 50% or less is sub-optimal, because you lose more than you win. that is not the chief consideration.
let's say you have 2 opponents, so 3 players total. if you win 34% of the time you will show a profit if everyone goes all in preflop. you each put in equal amounts of money, so that's 33.33% of the pot. if you take out more than 33.33% of the pot over time, you have profit. |
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Re: Another Question:pre-flop
yeah, but I'm also considering tournament play, which is a big part of my time, and making these calls with some of the lesser hands i mentioned, any help?
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Re: Another Question:pre-flop
it depends on how terrible your opponents are and what stage of the tournament you are in. the only generally SAFE hands to call all in with are AA/KK, and QQ/AK to a lesser extent.
AA is invulnerable preflop. KK is only REALLY hurt by AA. any ace will only win about 30% against it. QQ is where the trouble starts: AA and KK thrash it, and AK is 50/50. JJ is considerably worse: AA/KK/QQ/AK/AQ/KQ. etc. just consider your hand, and consider how likely it is for somebody to hold and move in with a hand that is WORSE than yours. |
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Re: Another Question:pre-flop
yeah but the % to win calling three others, especially in a tournament like this shortstacked, is it worth risking?
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Re: Another Question:pre-flop
i feel that i've done a good job of answering your questions and you're just being hopeless in light of hard facts. i already outlined reasons to call or fold, and they can be applied to any situation with any number of opponents. whether or not you will get more opportunities to triple up (or more) and whether or not you feel you could do any better given the blinds and opponents is a subjective weight.
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Re: Another Question:pre-flop
If there are no blinds, fold anything other than the nuts. If the antes took 99% of everyone's stack at your table, overcall all-in with 72o.
You need to consider how much strength is represented by your opponents' pushes. It doesn't take much to push UTG if you have a very short stack, e.g., less than the BB. It takes a lot of strength to push for 10xBB UTG at a full table. You can always call all-in with AA (except on the bubble), but whether it is a good idea with JJ depends on the situation. If you think suited connectors are good, try them on twodimes against hands that are likely to get involved in a multiway all-in. JTs doesn't do well against QQ, KK, and AKs, even if none of the other hands has a card in the suit of the JT, which is quite favorable. After 3 people push, it might be right to get involved because of dead money in the pot, but I don't think you can expect to win 25%. |
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