K's overplayed?

WSOPWinner2005 · #1 02-04-2005, 06:02 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

Hero ($56.05)
MP1 ($47)
MP2 ($45)
MP3 ($13.22)
CO ($67.4)
Button ($56.95)
SB ($45)
BB ($49)
UTG ($49)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 5 folds, SB (poster) raises to $6.5, 1 fold, UTG folds, Hero raises to $30, SB calls $23.

Flop: ($62) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)

Turn: ($62) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)

River: ($62) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)

Final Pot: $62

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kd Kh (two pair, kings and tens).
SB has Th Ts (four of a kind, tens).
Outcome: SB wins $62. 

The way I look at my preflop reraise is if he reraises I am up agst Aces or Kings... more likely Aces than not. Since he hesitates for about 10 seconds than calls and has a high VP$IP percentage I put him on anything AKs,JJ,QQ as the most likely hand. I honestly did not even THIINK TT which naturally it was lol ..

How do you guys play this differently pre and post flop ? I'm not sure if I made a huge mistake here or this is just one of those hands you are bound to get trapped into. The only way around that is if I cold called his re raise and let him come at me. With flopped quads and the way I played the hand preflop he most likely would not have come out firing that hard as most players like him don't play that type of hand agressively.. probably a check down to river mini-bet. Thoughts?

soah · #2 02-04-2005, 06:06 PM

Postflop I don't see any mistakes.

WSOPWinner2005 · #3 02-04-2005, 06:11 PM

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Postflop I don't see any mistakes.

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I just feel a pre-flop smooth call would of been playing way to weak, even though I could of came out harder on the flop if it didn't have a scary board. I tend to mix it up and combine both throughout the day especially if I am playing the same opponents. Just happened to be time to play it agressively (or so I thought, lol)

WSOPWinner2005 · #4 02-04-2005, 06:07 PM

To give you some insight into the type of player he is... Here is a hand about 10 minutes later from him ..

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

Hero ($57.3)
MP1 ($30.5)
MP2 ($127.63)
MP3 ($55.1)
CO ($50.35)
Button ($42)
SB ($124.32)
BB ($54.35)
UTG ($112.7)
UTG+1 ($28.74)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero raises to $3, 6 folds, BB raises to $14, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $19.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. BB wins $19.50. 

He flipped up and showed his QQ

poboy · #5 02-04-2005, 07:16 PM

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To give you some insight into the type of player he is... Here is a hand about 10 minutes later from him ..

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

Hero ($57.3)
MP1 ($30.5)
MP2 ($127.63)
MP3 ($55.1)
CO ($50.35)
Button ($42)
SB ($124.32)
BB ($54.35)
UTG ($112.7)
UTG+1 ($28.74)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero raises to $3, 6 folds, BB raises to $14, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $19.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. BB wins $19.50. 

He flipped up and showed his QQ

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This actually gives me more insight into your play. How can you fold this? You already know he is capable of reraising you with something like TT. This is about as weak-tight as I've seen on this forum. JMO

WSOPWinner2005 · #6 02-05-2005, 06:16 AM

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To give you some insight into the type of player he is... Here is a hand about 10 minutes later from him ..

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

Hero ($57.3)
MP1 ($30.5)
MP2 ($127.63)
MP3 ($55.1)
CO ($50.35)
Button ($42)
SB ($124.32)
BB ($54.35)
UTG ($112.7)
UTG+1 ($28.74)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $1, Hero raises to $3, 6 folds, BB raises to $14, UTG+1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $19.50

Results in white below: 
No showdown. BB wins $19.50. 

He flipped up and showed his QQ

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This actually gives me more insight into your play. How can you fold this? You already know he is capable of reraising you with something like TT. This is about as weak-tight as I've seen on this forum. JMO

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My read was correct to a T man, no offense but you just get a feel for players EVEN when 4 tabling them after a few rounds and stats... This was AFTEr he re raised my my Original Bet with TT and a high VP$IP and low PFR% - Think for ONE second. The guy that comes over the top a single min bet with TT - What does he have when he makes 6 ... into 15 to go, etc.. Jesus, it is common sense, and I was NOT Wrong. If he flipped up and showed even as little as TT I wouldof been shocked, however he showed QQ. I had what, 6 outs? calling an additional huge bet PF not to mention what happens of a flop comes of AXJ and turn happens to be a Queen - This is poker man, you play what you know.

TheWorstPlayer · #7 02-05-2005, 06:22 AM

You do know that if he flops his QQ over and lays them on the table, you should push, right?

mythrilfox · #8 02-05-2005, 07:23 AM

Lol, is this a joke? The "I had what, 6 outs?" part was particularly priceless.

mythrilfox · #9 02-05-2005, 07:25 AM

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This is about as weak-tight as I've seen on this forum. JMO

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Dude, I _HATE_ how people always talk about weak-tight like it's some sort of disease or something. Personally, I advocate a weak-tight style of play.

TheWorstPlayer · #10 02-05-2005, 07:32 AM

How can "weak" NOT be bad? It means that even if your hand can take a raise, your mental fortitude can't. It means that you fold the second nuts for fear of the nuts. It means that you fold AK to a re-raise without super deep stacks. It is not good. That doesn't mean you should never fold or you should become a calling station, but it does mean that people shouldn't be able to blow you off of your hand. Weak is bad. That is all there is to it.