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Old 06-28-2004, 07:10 PM
aesic aesic is offline
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Default First 150 SnG\'s Analysis Wanted

I recently decided to give SNG's a try. I got tired of the ring game grind and was looking for something with a possible lower variance. In the last 2 weeks I have played 150 (10+1) Party SNG's (I have a lot time this summer). I have been trying to average 2 tables at a time, waiting till level 3 to start the next SNG. I would like to start playing (20+2)'s but I figured I should get a diagnosis of my results before moving up (I'll probably move up in a week or so if everything goes well). Below are my results. I have made a very basic sideways histogram for visual people like me. Each "-" represents 2 in that place, each "\" represents 1 in that place. I would like as many comments/suggestions/criticisms as possible.

1-13 |------\
2-22 |-----------
3-27 |-------------\
4-15 |-------\
5-14 |-------
6-20 |----------
7-16 |--------
8 - 9 |----\
9 - 2 |-
T-12 |------

ITM: 41%
Profit: 200
ROI: 12.1%

I have not read TPFAP because I never planned on being a tournement/SNG player, but if I continue to enjoy and "do well" in tournements, I will be buying the book shortly. Thanks for the responses.

-aesic
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Old 06-28-2004, 07:21 PM
AtlBrvs4Life AtlBrvs4Life is offline
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Default Re: First 150 SnG\'s Analysis Wanted

Your ITM isn't bad, but your ROI is horrible. You definately need to work on your play when it gets down to 3 handed and heads-up. You need a lot more first place finishes. That's where the real money is. Check out some of the posts on playing heads-up. They should be fairly recent beacuse I remember reading one a couple of days ago. For now, you should probably stick with the $10 tournaments and try to get more first place finishes before moving up to the $20 tournaments. Good luck.
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Old 06-28-2004, 07:30 PM
Sheriff Fatman Sheriff Fatman is offline
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Default Re: First 150 SnG\'s Analysis Wanted

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Your ITM isn't bad, but your ROI is horrible.

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I think this is a bit harsh - its positive and, as such, can't be described as horrible.

Room for improvement? Most definitely, but horrible is too harsh a criticism for me.

As for the rest of your advice, I couldn't agree more!

Sheriff
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Old 06-28-2004, 07:34 PM
Nemesis Nemesis is offline
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Default Re: First 150 SnG\'s Analysis Wanted

I have the same problem, however at this level and only 150 SNGs a few (3 or 4) bad beats that put you in 3rd instead of in posistion to win can really kill your ROI.
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Old 06-28-2004, 09:46 PM
AtlBrvs4Life AtlBrvs4Life is offline
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Default Re: First 150 SnG\'s Analysis Wanted

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Your ITM isn't bad, but your ROI is horrible.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think this is a bit harsh - its positive and, as such, can't be described as horrible.

Room for improvement? Most definitely, but horrible is too harsh a criticism for me.

As for the rest of your advice, I couldn't agree more!

Sheriff

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I apologize for my choice of vocabulary. I should have said, "needs improvement."
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Old 06-29-2004, 04:20 AM
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Default Re: First 150 SnG\'s Analysis Wanted

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Your ITM isn't bad, but your ROI is horrible.

[/ QUOTE ]

I think this is a bit harsh - its positive and, as such, can't be described as horrible.

Room for improvement? Most definitely, but horrible is too harsh a criticism for me.

As for the rest of your advice, I couldn't agree more!

Sheriff

[/ QUOTE ]

I apologize for my choice of vocabulary. I should have said, "needs improvement."

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No offense, but constructively, it is indeed horrible.
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Old 06-29-2004, 04:42 AM
stupidsucker stupidsucker is offline
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Default Re: First 150 SnG\'s Analysis Wanted

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No offense, but constructively, it is indeed horrible.

[/ QUOTE ]-reffering to the low RoI

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I recently decided to give SNG's a try

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Id say for someones first 150 SnGs ever a 12% roi is a great start.

You will get better, and there is some good advice here.

You are smart enough to ask for advice and analysis. Already you are a step above a ton of poker players.
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Old 06-29-2004, 04:56 AM
Sheriff Fatman Sheriff Fatman is offline
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Default Re: First 150 SnG\'s Analysis Wanted

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I apologize for my choice of vocabulary. I should have said, "needs improvement."

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No problem - I just didn't want the original poster to be discouraged - after all he's a winning player so far, which is the first step.

Now, with all the excellent advice he's been offered, he has the tools to improve his ROI!!

I think I was just a bit grouchy when I posted yesterday after 3 consecutive 4th place finishes. Short-stacks sucking out repeatedly do nothing to improve my mood! [img]/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]

Sheriff
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Old 06-28-2004, 07:34 PM
TheDrone TheDrone is offline
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Default Re: First 150 SnG\'s Analysis Wanted

The most obvious comment I can make from your stats is that you need to improve your shorthanded play. When down to three, generally that means being more aggressive (stealing blinds, picking the right spots to push) as well as lowering your preflop calling standards a bit (e.g. if you are folding your blinds too much).
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Old 06-28-2004, 07:59 PM
aesic aesic is offline
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Default Re: First 150 SnG\'s Analysis Wanted

I was also wondering about why my ROI was so low given my ITM was 40% and now I seem to know the answer. Personally, I don't think I'm that bad shorthanded but I guess my results show otherwise. One thing that may contribute to this is that I feel that I am "good" at getting into the money by purely outlasting other players, but that often means that I'm the short stack when I get into the money. I guess it seems that I am more playing to get ITM rather than playing to win. Hopefully I'll try lowering my raising standards when it is shorthanded and see if that helps. Thanks for the responses. This is exactly the kind of feedback I'm looking for. Any other overall suggetions?

-aesic
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