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Interesting 30/60 hand
From memory, since the hand history didn't come through for some reason. Interesting decisions on every street. I think it's fair to say that my play improved on every street. I think and hope this will generate a lot of discussion.
Party 30/60 10 Handed HERO dealt A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] in SB UTG+1 (slightly LAGgy) raises, slightly loose MP calls, loose button calls, HERO in SB calls, BB folds FLOP: [8 SB] T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]6 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] HERO bets, UTG+1 raises, MP folds, button calls, HERO calls. TURN: [7BB] T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] HERO bets, UTG+1 calls, button calls RIVER: [10 BB] 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] HERO bets . . . RESULTS LATER |
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Re: Interesting 30/60 hand
I hope the result is interesting, because I don't like this play one bit.
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Re: Interesting 30/60 hand
I don't understand betting the flop so you can get raised, cause you know that's what's gonna happen.
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Re: Interesting 30/60 hand
I figured there was a good chance I'd get raised on the flop; that's one of the reasons I bet it. I wasn't sure whether a raise from UTG+1 would +EV, but I was pretty sure it wouldn't be -EV, all things considered (and there are a bunch of things to consider here).
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Re: Interesting 30/60 hand
On a flop like this, even with a raise from someone, you can't count on getting heads up with someone. It's easy to forsee this as a multiway pot on the turn even with a raise (they've already shown they like to call), and your hand isn't good enough for that kind of action.
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Re: Interesting 30/60 hand
This is a joke. Your bluffing into the turn+river with no legitimate draw. If you think that a big ace is folding your crazy. If you think that a pair is folding your crazy. I hope i see you at the tables.....
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Re: Interesting 30/60 hand
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This is a joke. Your bluffing into the turn+river with no legitimate draw. If you think that a big ace is folding your crazy. If you think that a pair is folding your crazy. I hope i see you at the tables..... [/ QUOTE ] I love posts like this. Low on thought, high on venom. There's a lot going on in this hand. I'm not saying my play was right, but it I'm pretty sure it wasn't that wrong. IMHO there's a lot to be learned from the decisions that this hand forced me to make, both looking at individual streets, but also, and more importantly, looking at the play of the hand as a whole, from the perspective of all three players. |
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Re: Interesting 30/60 hand
yuck. If I was gonna play I'd raise PF because I'd want BB out. As it is, he folded anyway but you gave him 9:1 to come along for the ride.
I might also achieve a check-around on a missed flop by people fearing a check-raise. I check-call the flop. I check-fold the turn. Your gutshot is weak because it might make someone else a bigger straight, and/or a flush and/or a boat. So I think you need all of the odds to call a turn bet (~11.5:1) which you don't have. Your ace may be outkicked so I wouldn't rate that out as much of an out (it will cost you as often as it gains). Well done if you got them to fold. I wouldn't be here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] |
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Re: Interesting 30/60 hand
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I wouldn't be here [/ QUOTE ] This is a more than fair point. I think the preflop call was marginal, as was the flop play. I'm not sure either was bigtime -EV, but possibly -EV nonetheless. That said, though, I think the turn and river play, especially when viewed in light of the way the whole hand played out, were right on the money. |
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Re: Interesting 30/60 hand
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[ QUOTE ] I wouldn't be here [/ QUOTE ] This is a more than fair point. I think the preflop call was marginal, as was the flop play. I'm not sure either was bigtime -EV, but possibly -EV nonetheless. That said, though, I think the turn and river play, especially when viewed in light of the way the whole hand played out, were right on the money. [/ QUOTE ] thats called recursive justification and has no place in poker...i dont see what was fantastically interesting in this hand...you bet the flop which i disagree with...then bet the turn which was the street you probably played best given the flop plays. and i'd check the river and probably call a bet from the lag who raised pf because he can easily have QJ/KQ etc. trying to win the pot and at the river closing the action i'll pay 1bb to see it. betting is -ev imo because if you're called you're easily beat 85-90% of the time...you happened to get one that was in the 10-15%. on the flop i check call and usually check fold the turn. unimproved if i have to overcal the lag's bets and a call. Barron |
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