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Girl lays down cowboys on river
This is a hand one of my college friends played, which she told me about the next day in lectures.
No reads on Villian, who has just sat down a few orbits back. Hero has the table covered with $800, villian has 650. Hero is UTG+1, Villian is SB. Hero has K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Hero limps, all fold to SB who calls, BB checks. Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot = 18) SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $18, SB raises to $50, BB folds, Hero calls. Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (pot = 118) SB bets $80, Hero raises to $200, SB calls. River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (pot = 518) SB bets 400 and is all-in. Hero folds. So, preflop limp aside, this hand is all about the turn. Whats your play? |
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Re: Girl lays down cowboys on river
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This is a hand one of my college friends played, which she told me about the next day in lectures. No reads on Villian, who has just sat down a few orbits back. Hero has the table covered with $800, villian has 650. Hero is UTG+1, Villian is SB. Hero has K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Hero limps, all fold to SB who calls, BB checks. Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot = 18) SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $18, SB raises to $50, BB folds, Hero calls. Turn: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (pot = 118) SB bets $80, Hero raises to $200, SB calls. River: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (pot = 518) SB bets 400 and is all-in. Hero folds. So, preflop limp aside, this hand is all about the turn. Whats your play? [/ QUOTE ] when you limp a big pair and don't get to check/reraise, you shouldn't treat it like a big hand. If you get raised along the way, you're probably in trouble, particularly if the raise comes on the turn. |
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Re: Girl lays down cowboys on river
funny post, but girls cant play poker!
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Re: Girl lays down cowboys on river
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Flop: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot = 18) SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $18, SB raises to $50, BB folds, Hero calls. [/ QUOTE ] In Hero's shoes, I really think I've got to drop it here. The way it played out, I'm 99.9% sure she's against a weird two pair. 34 maybe? EDIT: Actually, before I say this, I should ask, what's the blind structure? 3/6 I'm guessing? |
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Re: Girl lays down cowboys on river
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[ QUOTE ] Flop: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (pot = 18) SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $18, SB raises to $50, BB folds, Hero calls. [/ QUOTE ] In Hero's shoes, I really think I've got to drop it here. The way it played out, I'm 99.9% sure she's against a weird two pair. 34 maybe? EDIT: Actually, before I say this, I should ask, what's the blind structure? 3/6 I'm guessing? [/ QUOTE ]if this was an online game i would fold when villain checkraises the flop. |
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Re: Girl lays down cowboys on river
Remind her of TJ Cloutier's "if you limp with aces, you don't go broke with aces". I realize its Kings but same thing applies. You're not limping to move all in, you're limping for a little deception and to win a modest pot, and not have to risk all your chips on an all in.
However, I would tell her not to do this with Kings, as online I don't like reraising all in with just Kings in a game with decent players, and more importantly there are too many players still playing Acerag, and you know how often an ace will flop. David |
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Re: Girl lays down cowboys on river
I think you are missing out on a major concept if you are inclined to say moving in with KK preflop isnt good because too many people are playing Ace-rag, i mean thats more of a reason to move in if you are going to get called by a wider range of hands that you are a big favorite on.
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Re: Girl lays down cowboys on river
I think limp reraising is fine in an aggressive game. I don't think there's anything wrong with folding the flop, but since she didn't I really don't like raising the turn unless she's committed, which she was not. I don't think any worse hands can call the turn raise.
--turnipmonster |
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Re: Girl lays down cowboys on river
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I don't think there's anything wrong with folding the flop, but since she didn't I really don't like raising the turn unless she's committed, which she was not. I don't think any worse hands can call the turn raise. [/ QUOTE ] turnipmonster- as much as I respect your posts, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. Since hero didn't indicate any strength btf, SB could easily c/r the flop with a number of hands other than 88/44/33, including 56 (for the OESD) or 99/10s (overpair). Hands like 8-4/8-3/4-3 may be possible since villian completed from the SB, just not as likely since they're -EV hands. Personally I like the hero's non-committing raise on the turn for the sole reason that it allows her to re-gain control of the action (while she's holding what may very well be the best hand). Since hero has position on villian, the turn-raise then acts as a blocking bet before the river. If villian checks at the end, then she can easily check behind for a free showdown. I don't think a free/cheap showdown would've been possible if hero only called the turn bet. Villian's push on 5th street still puts hero in a semi-tough spot, but laying down KK isn't as hard anymore after the action on the turn. All in all, hero only lost about 1/3 of her stack while holding a big overpair. That's not too shabby, imo. |
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Re: Girl lays down cowboys on river
I would consider folding on the flop. When the board pairs on the turn, at most I just call, no way do I raise. The best move is too just lay it down, and decide to raise Preflop next time I have KK. I would guess the villian has at least 2 pair, and possibly a full house. The only hand I could see the Hero beating would be another overpair or if the villian got caught up in a semibluff with a hand like 5-6.
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