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Old 07-19-2005, 10:37 AM
junkmail3 junkmail3 is offline
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Default How to deal with big draws

Middle stages of a party 33.

BB T50

Hero has T1500
SB: T1000
Button: T2000
Three other players left with even distribution of remaining chips.

Hero has K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

<font color="red"> Hero open raises to T150 from CO </font> , Button calls, SB calls BB folds.

(T500) Flop: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB leads out for T150, <font color="red"> Hero ... ? </font>
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Old 07-19-2005, 10:51 AM
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Default Re: How to deal with big draws

With the pot now being at 675 and you only have to call for 150, your getting pot odds of 4.5 - 1, and your on a flush draw giving you odds of 4 - 1 which means the correct move is to call.

The real worry here is the button is yet to act
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Old 07-19-2005, 11:03 AM
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Default Re: How to deal with big draws

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With the pot now being at 675 and you only have to call for 150, your getting pot odds of 4.5 - 1, and your on a flush draw giving you odds of 4 - 1 which means the correct move is to call.

The real worry here is the button is yet to act

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I could also semi-bluff raise to get a free card and knock out the button as well, and also see what the other players think of their hand.

I don't think the correct answer is to fold, but I'm not sure if I should just call or raise, and if raise, by how much?
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Old 07-19-2005, 11:13 AM
Wes ManTooth Wes ManTooth is offline
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Default Re: How to deal with big draws

Definitely do not fold. Calling is an option, but then you may be faced with a difficult decision if the turn bricks and the villain bets out again this time say more then half the pot.
I think raising to 375-450 range is good. If villain folds you take down a good pot, if he calls then he may check the turn giving you many options to bet or check then. If villain re-raises all-in on your flop raise you may want to call, I would. This also depends on how tight/aggressive villian has been playing.
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Old 07-19-2005, 11:15 AM
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Default Re: How to deal with big draws

Anyone consider pushing here?
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Old 07-19-2005, 11:22 AM
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Default Re: How to deal with big draws

Im pushing here most of the time, two overcards, a gutshot and second nut flushdraw is a nice hand.
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Old 07-19-2005, 11:27 AM
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Default Re: How to deal with big draws

Pushing isn't as strong as, say, raising to 500 and then pushing the turn.
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Old 07-19-2005, 12:06 PM
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Default Re: How to deal with big draws

Alright, I think I liked adanthar's line, and that's what I ended up doing, sort of. I raised to T450, thinking I could possibly get the button to fold a mediocore hand that may end up beating me if a K/J hits and we check to the showdown, get some more defenition on the SB's hand, and possibly get a free card on the river.

That seems like a strong combination and argument for raising to T450/500 instead of going all in.

So, here's what ended up happening:


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Middle stages of a party 33.

BB T50

Hero has T1500
SB: T1000
Button: T2000
Three other players left with even distribution of remaining chips.

Hero has K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

<font color="red"> Hero open raises to T150 from CO </font> , Button calls, SB calls BB folds.

(T500) Flop: 2 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
SB leads out for T150, <font color="red"> Hero ... ? </font>

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<font color="red"> Hero raises to T450 </font>, Button min-raises to T750, SB re-raises all-in, <font color="red"> Hero ...? </font>

Pot is T2500 (if I added right).
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Old 07-19-2005, 12:08 PM
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Default Re: How to deal with big draws

This is perfect for a call
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Old 07-19-2005, 02:03 PM
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Default Re: How to deal with big draws

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This is perfect for a call

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Call? calling does not put the button all in and leaves you with 400 left... either push or fold
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