Turned set with 4 to the flush on board

marchron · #1 06-05-2005, 06:18 AM

The table was somewhat loose. Villain is aggressive but not always tight.

Advice on all streets, please.

.50/1, 9-handed

Preflop: marchron is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
5 folds, CO raises, BT folds, marchron reraises, BB folds, CO calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
marchron bets, CO raises, marchron reraises, CO calls.

Turn: (6.5 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
marchron bets, CO calls.

River: (8.5 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
marchron bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB (after rake)

Should I have handled it differently, or did I play a bad board the best I could?

Kevin K. · #2 06-05-2005, 06:26 AM

Looks standard to me. Only thing to consider really is what didn't happen: Do you fold if he raises the river?

aK13 · #3 06-05-2005, 06:31 AM

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Looks standard to me. Only thing to consider really is what didn't happen: Do you fold if he raises the river?

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I'd say yes.

Kevin K. · #4 06-05-2005, 07:15 AM

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Looks standard to me. Only thing to consider really is what didn't happen: Do you fold if he raises the river?

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I'd say yes.

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yellowjack · #5 06-05-2005, 07:22 AM

you're vs. a known 2+2er. Do you fold to the river raise, checkraise the river, or 3-bet it? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Kevin K. · #6 06-05-2005, 07:32 AM

Heading into metagame territory now, hehe.

marchron · #7 06-05-2005, 11:36 AM

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Looks standard to me. Only thing to consider really is what didn't happen: Do you fold if he raises the river?

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Like Snoop Dogg almost said: I'd release it as if its radiant heat exceeded comfortable parameters of my dermal and subdermal tissues.

If he raises, I'm getting 11-1. Only a complete fool or a complete psycho would raise that board without a decent-sized spade, and this guy is neither. I'd be 91.667% sure that he has any spade, and any spade beats me.

Results and my thoughts in white below: 
marchron has Qc Qh (three of a kind, queens).
CO has 6s 6h (flush, queen-high).
Outcome: CO wins 10 BB.

Unfrickinbelievable. Turn the hypothetical around: you're the CO, what do you call me with? I don't know what the hell he was thinking. But then again: I never once saw him show down a statistically "bad" hand unless it won.

In retrospect, I should have left the table about half an hour sooner. I'd made almost $20 in the two hours I was there, and I was about to leave since all the fish had ditched, but decided I'd play until my big blind again. Sure enough, in my last hand, UTG, I picked up aces and during the play of that hand the table filled back up again. I was winning and stupid and figured I could stick around. After this beat and another to the same frickin' guy when he beat my A/Ks with 10/8off, I finally walked with a $2.25 profit.

Fantam · #8 06-05-2005, 12:33 PM

That last bit about leaving the table when you are ahead does not really hold up.

Articles have been written about this subject of so called "money management" being a waste of time.

The point is that poker is a long-run game, and that how long you play for makes no difference to your win rate. The only thing that does matter is how well you play.

That said, yes it does give you a nice feeling to leave a table up, and if that is important to you then thats fine.

But its important to realise that it has no influence on whether you would have won more or lost if you played for longer. Unless you were tired or there was some other reason for your no longer playing at your best.

marchron · #9 06-05-2005, 01:37 PM

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That last bit about leaving the table when you are ahead does not really hold up.

Articles have been written about this subject of so called "money management" being a waste of time.

The point is that poker is a long-run game, and that how long you play for makes no difference to your win rate. The only thing that does matter is how well you play.

That said, yes it does give you a nice feeling to leave a table up, and if that is important to you then thats fine.

But its important to realise that it has no influence on whether you would have won more or lost if you played for longer. Unless you were tired or there was some other reason for your no longer playing at your best.

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Well, it was nearly 5 AM, but I was still okay.

It's not my money management that upsets me, it's my table selection. These new guys were all fairly aggressive, and while they weren't textbook "tight" they all had a sixth sense about when they had the best hand.

How many .50/1 tables do you play at that are heads-up after the flop because the first five players fold? Nobody was limping in with J/4s or A/6o anymore. I'd made 10 BB/hr against a cavalcade of donks who paraded through the table and blew most of it because I didn't realize I'd become the sucker.

Fantam · #10 06-05-2005, 02:00 PM

I dont think that you are a sucker, and the fact that you are reading and posting at this forum proves that to me! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]