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Old 09-28-2005, 04:45 PM
Malachii Malachii is offline
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Default Another AK OOP Hand...

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em (NL$50) <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link

UTG+1 ($15.75)
MP1 ($58.10)
MP2 ($49.10)
MP3 ($51.35)
CO ($28.25)
Button ($57.70)
SB ($23.60)
BB ($16.95)
Hero ($49.45)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.00</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 calls $2.00, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>.

Flop: ($4.75) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4.00</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $9.00</font>, Hero calls $5.00.

Turn: ($22.75) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $11.00</font>, Hero calls $11.00.

River: ($44.75) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $15.00</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises all in</font>, Hero folds.
Final Pot: $99.75.

I had ~$12 left after he pushed on the river, so I'm getting a very good price. Standard?
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Old 09-28-2005, 04:52 PM
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Default Re: Another AK OOP Hand...

No reads I play it similarily. I'm slowing down after the flop reraise and the 1/2 pot bet on the turn suits me. Why not just push the river if you had only $12 left?
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Old 09-28-2005, 05:50 PM
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Default Re: Another AK OOP Hand...

I think you have to call this. Doubtful he has a set due to the preflop raise.On the rare occasion he does have kings, you screwed. But i think 7/10 times he doesnt have it. I say he has either AA, QQ,JJ, or AK. You only have 12 dollars left with a 100 dollar pot, I just dont see any reason to fold here
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Old 09-28-2005, 05:55 PM
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Default Re: Another AK OOP Hand...

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Doubtful he has a set due to the preflop raise

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44/99 are very very possible, do you fold low-mid pockets to a 4xBB raise? even UTG raise?
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Old 09-29-2005, 09:21 AM
Mr. Sakuraba Mr. Sakuraba is offline
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Default Re: Another AK OOP Hand...

Yvesaint, dont take this the wrong way. Im still learning, so i have a question in regards to your earlier response. First of all , I do fold 44 to a 4x raise. Secondly, I thought a raise from utg usually indicated real strength? Again im not saying your wrong, im just trying to learn. You have far more experience than I, so school me.
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Old 09-29-2005, 09:26 AM
Mr. Sakuraba Mr. Sakuraba is offline
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Default Re: Another AK OOP Hand...

For the record, i dont think theres anything wrong with the flop call. The only two mistakes (imo of course) in this hand are : 1. Not betting out the turn and 2. Folding the river with the best odds you could hope for.
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Old 09-29-2005, 10:25 AM
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Default Re: Another AK OOP Hand...

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Yvesaint, dont take this the wrong way. Im still learning, so i have a question in regards to your earlier response. First of all , I do fold 44 to a 4x raise. Secondly, I thought a raise from utg usually indicated real strength? Again im not saying your wrong, im just trying to learn. You have far more experience than I, so school me.

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UTG raise is typically a big hand like AA-JJ AK, and since 95% of the players on this limit are uncapable to fold an overpair or TPTK you figure to take villians entire stack most of the time when you flop a set.
You are calling with the worst hand for the implied odds.
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Old 09-28-2005, 06:22 PM
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Default Re: Another AK OOP Hand...

Do you really think he's raising anything that can't beat a K on the river? No one is going to try to bluff me off my last $12 in a $100 pot.
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Old 09-28-2005, 06:25 PM
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Why not just push the river if you had only $12 left?

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Because I have no reason to think that I'm ahead. The reason for the river blocking bet is to set my own price for a showdown and save what's left of my stack.
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Old 09-28-2005, 07:20 PM
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Default Re: Another AK OOP Hand...

This is the problem I have with TPTK or an overpair . . . by the time I figure out that I'm beat, the odds to call are usually so good that I just do it. I don't see how you can't call $12 to win &gt;$80 here with TPTK and no flush/obvious straight. Do others feel folding is correct here?
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