Q8

Chris Daddy Cool · #1 12-07-2005, 06:23 PM

live 20/40 game wednesday afternoon at bay101

i just came back from the bathroom and wandering around and i post my blind in the CO (BB + SB). its a pretty good game and i'm up a bit off of some sets i flopped.

An aggressive asian surpisingly limps UTG. Bland UTG+1 and UTG+2 limps. A young'n trying to play well limps in MP1. Bland MP2 follows suit. Then the hijack ruins the fun and raises.

I look down at my cards and see Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and make the call. The button and the SB both fold. BB calls.

8 way action for 17 small bets.

Flop: T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

BB checks. UTG bets. UTG+1 folds. UTG+2 folds. MP1 raises. MP2 folds. Hijack 3-bets. I make a deep reach into my stack and cap it.

BB quickly gets out of the way. UTG stares for a long hard second, shakes his head muttering something about AT and folds. MP1 quietly does the same and the hijack calls. Just me and him heads up now.

Turn: T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

UTG jumps out of his seat and moans. Hijack checks. I check.

River: 3 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

He checks and I check.

He flips over JJ and I muck.

And UTG wants to kill me.

#2 12-07-2005, 06:49 PM

Why did you cap it on the flop?

Brom · #3 12-07-2005, 06:53 PM

For the "free" card he took on the turn?

Rubeskies · #4 12-07-2005, 06:54 PM

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For the "free" card he took on the turn?

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He might also be trying to "Buy" some outs in this giant pot.

#5 12-07-2005, 07:38 PM

I understand the free card part, but what do you mean buying outs?

jason_t · #6 12-07-2005, 07:39 PM

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I understand the free card part, but what do you mean buying outs?

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If our Q is dominated it's not an out; if we get a better Q to fold by capping we purchased outs. Etc.

DeathDonkey · #7 12-07-2005, 07:21 PM

No chance he lays down when the ten pairs? If not I love it.

-DeathDonkey

GuyOnTilt · #8 12-07-2005, 08:20 PM

Hey Chris,

I know I'm definitely not folding, but I'd have to do the math to know whether calling or capping is better. Assumptions on how other players react to your call and to your cap and how often you're bet into on the turn if you 4bet? My gut is capping's probably better.

GoT

Entity · #9 12-07-2005, 09:56 PM

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Hey Chris,

I know I'm definitely not folding, but I'd have to do the math to know whether calling or capping is better. Assumptions on how other players react to your call and to your cap and how often you're bet into on the turn if you 4bet? My gut is capping's probably better.

GoT

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I did a little rudimentary math when Chris mentioned the hand to me and assuming we don't have an all out nutty game, I think capping is a fair amount better here, given that we can't fold. Even in the event that we don't get a free card, freezing the action to limit it to one bet on the turn is fairly important given the current pot size and the liklihood that we're staying until the river.

Rob

tpir90036 · #10 12-08-2005, 01:18 PM

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Even in the event that we don't get a free card, freezing the action to limit it to one bet on the turn is fairly important given the current pot size and the liklihood that we're staying until the river.

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Well put.

We are getting ~8:1 on the flop even if we call 3 cold so seeing the turn seems in order to me.... and for reasons Rob has listed I think capping becomes the play.

Edited: I made a dumb comment about pre-flop but somehow missed that we had posted.

-joey