Where do you stop it?

kapw7 · #1 09-02-2005, 05:30 PM

Having some Friday night fun 4-tabling-clearing the Party bonus at 1/2 -6max.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Not any reads. Seems like the average loose 1/2-6max player

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

I try to steal 30% of times or beter whenever I feel like it.

Turn: (2.25 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls.

Lets see if we get raised here

River: (4.25 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets

There's no other option on the river

irishpint · #2 09-02-2005, 05:38 PM

party bonus? explain....

#3 09-02-2005, 05:38 PM

First, let me say I know nothing.

Second: Check/fold the flop. What are you trying to steal, 1 SB? Raise pre-flop if you want to steal. Given your flop move, check/fold the turn.

If you're trying to advertise for later hands, isn't that an unneeded move at $1/$2 6-max? I can fold a bazillion hands in a row at $2/$4 & $3/$6 and still earn tons of action.

Kumubou · #4 09-02-2005, 05:39 PM

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Not any reads. Seems like the average loose 1/2-6max player

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Stop bluffing at calling stations!

I check/fold this flop. When you pull this kind of stunt, you want something that has at least some marginal showdown value. A weak draw, or A-high, something. You have piddly squat, no draws, and no showdown value. If he calls with anything (and he will!), you lose.

-K

kapw7 · #5 09-02-2005, 05:54 PM

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Not any reads. Seems like the average loose 1/2-6max player

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Stop bluffing at calling stations!

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As you see thats not entirely true

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When you pull this kind of stunt, you want something that has at least some marginal showdown value. A weak draw, or A-high, something. You have piddly squat, no draws, and no showdown value.

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Not true. I try to make him fold. What I have is irrelevant

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If he calls with anything (and he will!), you lose.

-K

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Even LPPs don't call with anything on a scary board and after limping UTG

#6 09-02-2005, 06:55 PM

Problem is, he actually might have a little something and you won't scare him out of the pot. Moreover, he might be using PA that shows your mucked cards immediatly and then he can see, that you badly tried to bluff him into something. Latest point to stop here was after he called the turn bet, IMO. He didn't believe you. That's just it. So give it up early enough. Why should he fold to the river bet after calling so much? That's the way calling-stations are likely to think.

Regards.

kapw7 · #7 09-02-2005, 07:37 PM

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Problem is, he actually might have a little something and you won't scare him out of the pot. Moreover, he might be using PA that shows your mucked cards immediatly and then he can see, that you badly tried to bluff him into something. Latest point to stop here was after he called the turn bet, IMO. He didn't believe you. That's just it. So give it up early enough. Why should he fold to the river bet after calling so much? That's the way calling-stations are likely to think.

Regards.

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He can't see mucked cards if he folds.

Betting the river is essential:
1) He didn't show any strength so it is more likely he's on a draw (flush, overcardsetc) and plans to fold UI.
2) There is no way to take the pot without betting (unless he has 43)
3) You need to be successful 1 out of 5 times

WildDan · #8 09-02-2005, 11:33 PM

I'm just wondering why you ask a question when you make a post then shoot down everyone with your own theory when they disagree with the line you took?

Seriously, if you're convinced you did the right thing and don't want to hear that this pure bluff might not have been correct, don't post it.

#9 09-03-2005, 02:47 AM

It's true that you win when he folds. But I wouldn't base a poker-theory one that sole fact. I think just as he didn't show any strength, he didn't really show any weakness either. Actually, you did not really give him a chance to show strength or weakness. Maybe you should have at least checked the turn so you can watch if he checks behind you or bets. Many people just don't seem to like raising. And your bluff would have been a little bit more impressive after the high card came, especially if he has nothing in his hand at all. This way you didn't make it difficult once for a calling-station or any other passiv player.

Regards.

#10 09-02-2005, 05:50 PM

What did you start? A hand as weak as yours has very little value and is not worth much. Bluffing is done at the end if he shows no strength. If you were inducing a bluff representing a 9, then you would check, if a blank hits the turn and he bets, raise and see if that make him fold. If not, you are done.