How Times Have Changed...

___1___ · #1 09-22-2005, 12:59 AM

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This post is from about 8 months ago and it's pretty amazing how the general attitude of the HUSH forum has changed regarding steals, VPIP, etc.

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fyodor · #2 09-22-2005, 01:08 AM

I remember that thread. It was at that point I started looking for more Nikla posts and loosened up again myself.

Surfbullet · #3 09-22-2005, 01:10 AM

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This post is from about 1 1/2 years ago and it's pretty amazing how the general attitude of the HUSH forum has changed regarding steals, VPIP, etc.

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It's actually only from about 8 months ago, I read it when it was going down. It's a good one, though.

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TheMetetron · #4 09-22-2005, 01:30 AM

People still try to say that being that loose is wrong or that it doesn't matter either way.

Nikla speaks the truth... playing 22/17 is failing to maximize your earn... period.

Give it another 8 months and 2+2 will actually realize this.

Surfbullet · #5 09-22-2005, 01:34 AM

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People still try to say that being that loose is wrong or that it doesn't matter either way.

Nikla speaks the truth... playing 22/17 is failing to maximize your earn... period.

Give it another 8 months and 2+2 will actually realize this.

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This is assuming one knows what to do with a LAG, maniacal image. I didn't adjust to how my opponents perceived me and got thrashed for 10k hands.

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joker122 · #6 09-22-2005, 01:38 AM

i think most have realized this, but not all feel comfortable jumping from 20/15 to 27/20 all of the sudden.

jaxUp · #7 09-22-2005, 01:54 AM

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i think most have realized this, but not all feel comfortable jumping from 20/15 to 27/20 all of the sudden.

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You just described my last 2 months perfectly.

helpmeout · #8 09-22-2005, 07:47 AM

Nikla is better than anyone in this forum.

The recommendations given by most of the experienced players in this forum is:

Play fairly tight, because you are not as good as Nikla and making 4bb/100 over any significant sample size is way out of your league.

25 is more the norm now, the difference in earn between 25% and 30% isnt very much and if you are able to profitably play the extra few % then why the hell are you playing 10/20 6max.

When you can make over 2bb/100 over a decent sample playing at 25% or so worry about moving up not adding extra hands.

Wynton · #9 09-22-2005, 08:05 AM

I just read that thread and I can't tell whether the general attitude here has changed or not. A number of people in that thread made the crucial point that there is no such thing as one, ideal style.

Perhaps individual people have changed their game and loosened up profitably. It would be nice to think that I can do this someday myself. But I'd be surprised if even the best players here now believed that there is any such thing as one ideal set of numbers.

What I am most curious about - and perhaps the OP was hinting at this - is whether people believe that the opposition at a particular level (or site) has been changing, so that previous assumptions no longer apply.

For example, is there any particular play one can imagine endorsing now at 5/10, that they would have argued against one year ago?

helpmeout · #10 09-22-2005, 08:20 AM

The games are slowly getting tighter so the benefit of adding extra hands are reduced.

The main idea of playing loose is that you either make money from getting players who are too tight to fold better hands/not defend blinds. This does not happen much at 10/20 as there are few rocks.

Or to make more money from loose players by playing more hands against them. Say he has a 60% VPIP so by playing 30% you still have a considerable edge on hand values. As the games get tighter though this means that you cant play as loose as a Nikla type from 1 year ago.

Now that the rake has also increased some marginal hands that were once profitable will not be.