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11-15-2005, 04:34 PM
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30/60 High, calling with str8 to get overcalls
Here is an interesting hand I played against 2 good players where I thought I'd make more money by keeping in the 3rd player (felt like I was playing hi/low with this play). Maybe I should have raised somewhere along the line to protect against getting drawn out by a full house or maybe the guy with the open Js would have called a double raise on either 5th or 6th and I cost myself $120 by not raising?
7 Card Stud High ($30/$60), Ante $5, Bring-In $10 (converter) 3rd Street - (0.50 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___raises Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___brings-in___calls Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___calls___calls 4th Street - (3.50 SB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls 5th Street - (3.25 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___raises Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___calls Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]___bets___calls 6th Street - (9.25 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]___calls Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]___checks___calls River - (12.25 BB) Seat 1: xx xx 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] xx___checks___calls Hero: 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]___bets Seat 8: xx xx 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] xx___checks___folds Total pot: (14.25 BB) 
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11-15-2005, 04:37 PM
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Re: 30/60 High, calling with str8 to get overcalls
I think I would reraise sixth, if they both have trips or two pair, I'd imagine your equity goes up quite a bit by getting one to fold. If he calls anyway, thats good as well.
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11-15-2005, 04:40 PM
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Re: 30/60 High, calling with str8 to get overcalls
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I think I would reraise sixth, if they both have trips or two pair, I'd imagine your equity goes up quite a bit by getting one to fold. If he calls anyway, thats good as well. [/ QUOTE ] Me too. I like your range of starting hands. I wish I was good enough on later streets to make these playable!
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11-16-2005, 01:06 AM
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Re: 30/60 High, calling with str8 to get overcalls
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I think I would reraise sixth, if they both have trips or two pair, I'd imagine your equity goes up quite a bit by getting one to fold. If he calls anyway, thats good as well. [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean reraise 5th or raise 6th? I think that my equity might actually go down if they both have 2 pair and my raise gets one of them to fold, especially given that their pair cards are dead...I'll check it out on twodimes.net to see.
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11-16-2005, 01:16 AM
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Re: 30/60 High, calling with str8 to get overcalls
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[ QUOTE ] I think I would reraise sixth, if they both have trips or two pair, I'd imagine your equity goes up quite a bit by getting one to fold. If he calls anyway, thats good as well. [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean reraise 5th or raise 6th? I think that my equity might actually go down if they both have 2 pair and my raise gets one of them to fold, especially given that their pair cards are dead...I'll check it out on twodimes.net to see. [/ QUOTE ] No, I like the call on fifth, but there could definitely be a case made for raising. I like a raise on sixth for my stated reasons. I'm interested in the sims if you think your equity would go down by knocking out someone on sixth. Mike
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#7
11-16-2005, 01:56 AM
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Re: 30/60 High, calling with str8 to get overcalls
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[ QUOTE ] I think I would reraise sixth, if they both have trips or two pair, I'd imagine your equity goes up quite a bit by getting one to fold. If he calls anyway, thats good as well. [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean reraise 5th or raise 6th? I think that my equity might actually go down if they both have 2 pair and my raise gets one of them to fold, especially given that their pair cards are dead...I'll check it out on twodimes.net to see. [/ QUOTE ] Your equity in the pot will go up because there will be fewer opponents (hense you'll win more). But your EV might go down a bit if the gain you get from increased equity doesn't make up the lose of a BB (or 2). Overall it will probably be a wash or close to it. I say you risk losing .1 BB in EV (at most) to decrease your varience.
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#8
11-16-2005, 02:47 AM
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Twodimes Sims and my solution
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think I would reraise sixth, if they both have trips or two pair, I'd imagine your equity goes up quite a bit by getting one to fold. If he calls anyway, thats good as well. [/ QUOTE ] Do you mean reraise 5th or raise 6th? I think that my equity might actually go down if they both have 2 pair and my raise gets one of them to fold, especially given that their pair cards are dead...I'll check it out on twodimes.net to see. [/ QUOTE ] Your equity in the pot will go up because there will be fewer opponents (hense you'll win more). But your EV might go down a bit if the gain you get from increased equity doesn't make up the lose of a BB (or 2). Overall it will probably be a wash or close to it. I say you risk losing .1 BB in EV (at most) to decrease your varience. [/ QUOTE ] I did a bunch of twodimes sims, and as usually they were VERY enlightening; I suggest that everyone spend less time playing and more time on twodimes (especially in multiway pots). I am now pretty sure of what the optimal line is (in white for those who actually want to do the sims themselves first): <font color="white"> Call 5th, raise 6th & fold to a 3 bet, bet 7th if checked to or crying call a single bet (or check raise) but fold to a double bet cold. </font>. The 5th and 6th st. plays are dependant on assigning high probabilities to specific hands for each opponent, but I think this is fairly easy to do with this hand. I'm going to bed now, but I'll explain what my reads and reasoning for this line of play after I hear some what some of your reads are.
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