Is This a Call Preflop Aces Situation? 5/10NL

fimbulwinter · #1 07-24-2005, 10:06 PM

I (cover) have AA UTG and limp, four calls to SB (shortstack, 200) who pushes, BB (2K) calls, I?

the limpers behind me will fold 90% of the time here, they all have 1000 or less.

fim

Big_Jim · #2 07-24-2005, 10:28 PM

With stacks this deep, I would put in a big re-raise (800-1000) and try to take down the dead money in the pot.

Hopefully, BB will put you on a middle pair that is trying to isolate against the all-in player.

Against tighter players, or if other players don't think you're capable of making a move in this spot, you might lose AK and QQ, but I doubt you lose KK.

Furthermore, a smooth call from you is also fairly suspect, and may tip off your holding, without making him pay for it. Although I'm sure you still take quite a few chips down when 662 flops.

Klepton · #3 07-24-2005, 11:13 PM

i assume you are pushing any flop?

if so, ok i guess

Malachii · #4 07-24-2005, 11:58 PM

Why call and then push the flop no matter what? You're essentially giving the BB a free chance to stack you. I don't understand how this is better than pushing all in preflop.

fimbulwinter · #5 07-25-2005, 12:00 AM

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Why call and then push the flop no matter what? You're essentially giving the BB a free chance to stack you. I don't understand how this is better than pushing all in preflop.

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what if BB has AK or TT-QQ?

fim

Malachii · #6 07-25-2005, 12:11 AM

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what if BB has AK or TT-QQ?

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Why do you want to give him a free chance to outdraw you with these hands? Trying to trap here has a very poor risk versus reward ratio in my opinion.

Alex/Mugaaz · #7 07-25-2005, 12:00 AM

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Why call and then push the flop no matter what? You're essentially giving the BB a free chance to stack you. I don't understand how this is better than pushing all in preflop.

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TonyBlair · #8 07-25-2005, 01:47 PM

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i assume you are pushing any flop?

if so, ok i guess

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Why not double to 400 preflop, give him odds to call and then push if you're going to go about it this way?

I am always open to opinions as to how a hand should be played but I'm going to refuse anyone telling me this can ever be a call. Isn't this the perfect situation for aces? I'm gunning it up to around 1000 so I can autopush the flop. I'll preflop more if I think I can get a call. If they all fold, fine.

The real danger with calling here is that you might get a caller behind you and could find yourself in a dangerous situation on the flop if the SB bets out before you. Calling must be massive -EV.

creedofhubris · #9 07-25-2005, 12:18 AM

Make it $700. If cold caller had only $1000, the smooth call would be better, but you need to pump it up because he's got a relatively deep stack there and he's not going to put a lot more in if you preflop smooth call unless he has a monster himself or outflops you. Your smooth call is going to look awful fishy, and I bet you're not getting more than another couple hundred out of him tops.

Besides, decent pot already, taking it down is not a problem.

If you make it $700 and he calls, then you're at auto-push-flop stage.

mgsimpleton · #10 07-25-2005, 12:28 AM

another thing is i don't know how tricky the others are but if you make it 500 or 600, it looks like an "isolation with enough money left behind to fold if someone else goes all in play" so a JJ or TT hand behind you might push on you assuming you'd smooth call with a huge hand. for this reason as well as the implied odds thing everyone else talked about, i like a raise to 500.