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Old 09-23-2005, 09:59 AM
paulish paulish is offline
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Default 1 hand vs one player with 2 hands

Player A is dealt one hold'em hand, and Player B is dealt two separate hands (but he can only play one of them). Which hands are now +EV for Player A?
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Old 09-23-2005, 10:11 AM
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Default Re: 1 hand vs one player with 2 hands

I think that basically the same cards that you would normally play at a 10 person table would still be profitable in this situation. However, the player who sees 4 cards would have an advantage in some cases (Ie if he/she is delt 4 hearts then he can discount his chances of making a flush or if he has pocket 22 in one hand and A2 in the other he knows that his chances of hitting trips are deminished.)

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Old 09-23-2005, 11:05 AM
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Default Re: 1 hand vs one player with 2 hands

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I think that basically the same cards that you would normally play at a 10 person table would still be profitable in this situation.

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If this is a heads-up match, you're going to lose your shirt and it isn't even close.
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Old 09-23-2005, 03:54 PM
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Default Re: 1 hand vs one player with 2 hands

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I think that basically the same cards that you would normally play at a 10 person table would still be profitable in this situation.

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If this is a heads-up match, you're going to lose your shirt and it isn't even close.

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I remember a question that arose in another forum awhile back, where one guy would get two hands to pick from and the other guy would get the button every time (didn't specify whether button posts big or small blind) and they asked which would you choose.
And surprisingly, a lot of people chose the button. They think that position was enough to offset the hand disadvantage.
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Old 09-23-2005, 11:46 PM
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Default looking for an exact answer

I don't think you guys understand me. I think there shouold be a way of calculating the exact hand group that is a favorite in this case.
I did some calculations, and I came to the conclusion that the top 50 "all-in-heads-up-race-hands" shod have an +EV, when the other player can chose to play the best out two seprate hands.

+EV:
[4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]],
[A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]], [A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]],
[K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]], [K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]],
[Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]], [Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]],
[J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] or better.

But I'm not sure if my numbers are right
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Old 09-26-2005, 07:36 PM
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Default Re: looking for an exact answer

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I don't think you guys understand me. I think there shouold be a way of calculating the exact hand group that is a favorite in this case.
I did some calculations, and I came to the conclusion that the top 50 "all-in-heads-up-race-hands" shod have an +EV, when the other player can chose to play the best out two seprate hands.

+EV:
[4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]],
[A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]], [A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]],
[K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]], [K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]],
[Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]], [Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]],
[J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] or better.

But I'm not sure if my numbers are right

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I think my analysis leads me to a very similar result. Your range above pretty much equals your opponent's expected range.
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Old 09-26-2005, 12:31 PM
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Default Re: 1 hand vs one player with 2 hands

My point was that playing this scenario like a 10-handed game (assuming no other players) means you are going to be folding so much that you can't possibly keep up with the blinds.
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Old 09-26-2005, 02:24 PM
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yea, i'd take the two hands. the knowledge of the outs is important too. interesting topic
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Old 09-23-2005, 10:21 AM
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Player A should go find another table!
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Old 09-23-2005, 11:03 AM
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...find another table!


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Hell, I think he should find another casino!
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